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Prospect Info: F Isak Rosen (14th Overall, 2021), Assigned to Rochester 12/10

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Dex said:
I have not seen Rosen play except a few TV games at the WJC. But everything I've read throught the season and especially lately - including comments upthread and the Bill Hoppe piece linked upthread lead me to believe that this guy's got what it takes in terms of hockey IQ, speed, shot and attitude to be a success in the league.

Seth Appert said in the Hoppe article that he's been as good as or better than Kulich the last three months, that he's a driver on the team, and that he's attacking the hard areas of the ice as opposed to looking for the easy areas. He will certainly need to get stronger, but that type of attitude is not something to be simply disregarded and discarded. Rosen has faced an uphill battle around here because of his relative anonimity and obscurity when he was drafted - strike one. Therefore he was drafted with others on the board who posters preferred - which is strike two. Then strike 3 - his D+! year was totally FUBAR over in Sweden leaving stat watchers to see his numbers and consider him a bust and the top guy to be traded now that Mitts is off that list. So he comes over to NA, is learning the North American game and ice surface, is doing well and improving, and for a completely different reason - that he's one of our best prospects - is at the top of the to be traded list.

I just think it's way too early for that as we still don't know how good this guy can/will get. Neither does anyone else. So why would he bring a big return? He needs another year in the AHL, IMO - and as far as I'm concerned - hopefully as part of the Sabres organization.

All that said, no one is untouchable.
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There wouldn’t be a list of prospects people want traded most is Adams had either rounded out a prospect pool in the draft instead of hammering skill winger over and over or if he had addressed the holes in the roster by trading some of their 22 draft picks made the last two years. He did neither and now we are all stuck in a place between having great prospects with no place to play and a front office that doesn’t make moves
 
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Dex said:
I just think it's way too early for that as we still don't know how good this guy can/will get. Neither does anyone else. So why would he bring a big return? He needs another year in the AHL, IMO - and as far as I'm concerned - hopefully as part of the Sabres organization.
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It's true that we don't know how good he'll get, but neither does the other team. No prospects would ever be traded if uncertainty slammed the breaks on deals. Instead, it's what drives deals. A team thinks a guy is over/under projected and sees value. Imo, it isn't wise to wait until every prospect hits or busts before making a decision on them. Gotta place a few wagers before then. I think he's a good young player, but another team might ID him as talented and semi-blocked and offer us something worth it to us in-the-now. Kind of like Levi was.
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And further down the pipeline, you have other wingers coming.

I also wonder if the right trade is there and the feel confident about the guys that are coming, that a guy like Peterka gets moved for an upgrade elsewhere.
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Not to derail the thread, but I completely agree. We're going to be balancing and diversifying our talent pool from a position of strength for a couple seasons moving forward. It's going to be fun and a little scary.

Been thinking for a while that one out of each group of Cozens/Quinn/JJ/Krebs and Savoie/Kulich/Rosen/Ostlund get moved in the next year or two. Sure there could be busts in there, but it already looks like all four in the first group are legit NHLers (two close to untouchable) and two in the second group look like no-doubters. It's rare to graduate and keep two full bursts of F talent like these. There will be future trades and signings that are impossible to predict now, but will further pinch the availability of the scoring spots you described.
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There wouldn’t be a list of prospects people want traded most is Adams had either rounded out a prospect pool in the draft instead of hammering skill winger over and over or if he had addressed the holes in the roster by trading some of their 22 draft picks made the last two years. He did neither and now we are all stuck in a place between having great prospects with no place to play and a front office that doesn’t make moves
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We appear to have a type at the draft, but at least it's a type that fits where the league is moving wrt skill and speed. I'm glad we didn't pass on any of Savoie/Ostlund/Kulich because we had taken Rosen the year before. I think all three slot ahead of him in our stable, but he's still a really nice asset. Adams should now be able to trade from a position of strength to address the perceived positional imbalance. I'm probably more confident in his ability/willingness to do so than you are, but we'll see. Stillman for Bloom looks like a win (maybe win/win) for us right now.
 
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Rosen is such a unique player in our system. First round draft pick who after a weird season in Sweden comes over and is meeting or exceeding expectations in his development but is still always the afterthought.
 
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Dingo44 said:
Rosen is such a unique player in our system. First round draft pick who after a weird season in Sweden comes over and is meeting or exceeding expectations in his development but is still always the afterthought.
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Ostlund is also Swedish and frequently forgotten?
 
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Ostlund is also Swedish and frequently forgotten?
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When he comes up, it's the positional difference - Ostlund playing center gets more consideration and he gets pulled from proposals. Rosen is always the first guy into any trade conversation right now.

And they may very well wind up making their own Erat-for-Forsberg deal with one of these kids going somewhere else for a useful roster piece. We'll have to deal with that when or if it happens.

Specific to Rosen, he seems to get that his path to the level is going to be predicated on how well his game in his own zone is to compliment what he can do at the other end of the rink. It's something that he's well ahead of Kulich at.
 
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When he comes up, it's the positional difference - Ostlund playing center gets more consideration and he gets pulled from proposals. Rosen is always the first guy into any trade conversation right now.

And they may very well wind up making their own Erat-for-Forsberg deal with one of these kids going somewhere else for a useful roster piece. We'll have to deal with that when or if it happens.

Specific to Rosen, he seems to get that his path to the level is going to be predicated on how well his game in his own zone is to compliment what he can do at the other end of the rink. It's something that he's well ahead of Kulich at.
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I'd prefer we get Forsberg and not Erat in that scenario.
 
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When he comes up, it's the positional difference - Ostlund playing center gets more consideration and he gets pulled from proposals. Rosen is always the first guy into any trade conversation right now.

And they may very well wind up making their own Erat-for-Forsberg deal with one of these kids going somewhere else for a useful roster piece. We'll have to deal with that when or if it happens.

Specific to Rosen, he seems to get that his path to the level is going to be predicated on how well his game in his own zone is to compliment what he can do at the other end of the rink. It's something that he's well ahead of Kulich at.
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Given the touting of Rosen's defensive game, do you think he could be in competition with Kulich and Savoie assuming a scenario where there is one "kid spot" available with the big club at camp?
 
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Dingo44 said:
Rosen is such a unique player in our system. First round draft pick who after a weird season in Sweden comes over and is meeting or exceeding expectations in his development but is still always the afterthought.
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Great! So what your saying is he has good trade value? Package em up!

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Given the touting of Rosen's defensive game, do you think he could be in competition with Kulich and Savoie assuming a scenario where there is one "kid spot" available with the big club at camp?
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Depends on how camp goes. Kulich's defense looks worse than Peterka's was at this point last season, a lot worse. I think if they want one kid to make the team, Savoie has the more complete game of all three and still has the question of being micro sized. I've seen almost ever Amerk game this year and more than 30 of the Ice since the last week in November and I would put Savoie ahead right now. Kulich's scoring is sexy. He's not grown the defensive side of his game yet. Rosen's scoring isn't as sexy and he has more of the boring parts rounded out - shouldn't be a surprise, he played in the SHL even if it wasn't much with Leksands and he's a year older. But in the AHL right now, it's big enough to be noticeable.

I don't think Kulich makes it out of camp unless there is some tangible growth on his side of the ice in the playoffs and into camp. I have thought he gets another three-ish months in Rochester, goes to the U20's where he tears that tournament a new one, and then returns potentially to the Sabre lineup in January of 2024. I could see something similar with Savoie as a possible player who doesn't make it as one of the last cuts and then goes back to the 'dub, rips that league a new one, chews up the U20's and so on.

Rosen feels like he's going to be on the Pominville path. He's going to be in Rochester for a while as he puts on pounds. When his offensive game pops off (not that he's had a bad season as a mostly 19-year old) and he's bigger, I can see him stepping up in a mid-line 2-way role in 2 more years.
 
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Interesting to hear Joe and Lance talking up Rosen for his ability to withstand the punishment the Crunch dealt out and still make plays.

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No, instead we are gonna wait years for all the prospects to develop and our first line to retire.
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Yea I agree. I don't get why people get defensive when Rosen, Krebs, ostlund etc. are in trade proposals. With how young the current roster already is, not all of these guys are long term Sabres. Guys that are to going to be good players can still be traded. It's okay. One or likely multiple will have to be moved as they near nhl readiness and the log jam gets worse.

Current top 9 by age:
31-25-27
21-22-21
24-22-26(Greenway)

Guys waiting to fill spots in top 9:
Kulich
Savoie
Rosen
Ostlund
Kisakov
Polpatov
Neuchev
Kozak(?)
#13 this year(likely)
 
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I was happy by his development this year. He has plenty of skill and is working on his all around game. That said, he is NOT NOT NOT NHL ready. He absolutely needs at least another year of growth and development. Maybe two more years of growth.

Previously he was near the top of my trade candidates. Now he may be AT the top, because his development has held his draft value kinda, but most importantly, I do not see a place for him in the Sabres lineup, especially since he is very much on the opposite side of the size and physicality spectrum we need to ice if we want to be an actual threat in the playoffs. Basically, he is at least one of the odd men out in our quota of smallish forwards.
 
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I was happy by his development this year. He has plenty of skill and is working on his all around game. That said, he is NOT NOT NOT NHL ready. He absolutely needs at least another year of growth and development. Maybe two more years of growth.

Previously he was near the top of my trade candidates. Now he may be AT the top, because his development has held his draft value kinda, but most importantly, I do not see a place for him in the Sabres lineup, especially since he is very much on the opposite side of the size and physicality spectrum we need to ice if we want to be an actual threat in the playoffs. Basically, he is at least one of the odd men out in our quota of smallish forwards.
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Yeah I don't think anyone is saying he is NHL ready. His game is on the verge but he needs to get physically more prepared.

For the record, we all know the Sabres were the youngest team in the league this past season. They were middle of the road in height at 16th and a little lower in weight 22nd. That weight will get packed on as these kids get into their 20's.

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