Prospect Info: F Isak Rosen (14th Overall, 2021), Assigned 11.26.2024
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I’m not too familiar with the champions league. Is it similar to how the soccer leagues do it? Top teams from various leagues?
Jim Bob
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From watching Kasimir Kaskisuo's YT channel, it is a step down from SHL play. At least comparing who Leksands played vs their first SHL game vs Malmo.
Yeah, very similar.
Edit: and that means teams from less competitive leagues are often an opponent.
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It’s the Champions from each European league, and may or may not include the KHL. I believe it also has the runner up from each league. You can usually get info on it in the “International Tournaments” section.
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20-21: 0 goals in 22 games
21-22: 1 goal in 1 game
Already an improvement
21-22: 1 goal in 1 game
Already an improvement
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While I always like looking at numbers there seems to be a lot of stuff popping up without context lately, mostly sourced from instat.
Like does the average person know what a "good" number of per game entries and exits are? I don't.
Not a critique of you posting it here, because I do think its cool that new info is becoming available, but its just a trend I've seen on hockey twitter lately.
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Raw zone exit & entry numbers don't add a ton of value, IMO. It is like raw FO win numbers don't tell anywhere near the whole story.
If those numbers are normalized for ice time and you have the exit and entry success % to go with it, it becomes more valuable. Especially when you compare to linemates.
The more context you can put around numbers, the better.
Raw transition numbers are hard to use because there's no information about what role the player is expected to play. If you have transition as % it's a little better. I suspect there's a big difference in entry/exit on euro ice compared to NHL rinks.
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Right. Then you have to backtest things to see if there is relevance to the metric.
Are there any articles on the predictive nature of zone entries/exits among individuals?
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Hockey stats without context is something happening lately? That’s been the case for years.
Specific to this tweet/my post and context. I was trying to get a handle on what the Champions league is. I should have just looked it up myself ( I did today) to get an understanding of how tough or easy those games would be for a Swedish team.
Turns out its hard to say without knowing what teams they played.
There are 32 total teams; 5 from SHL/5 Swiss league/4 Finish Liiga/4 DEL/ 3 Czech league/ 3 from ICE hockey league/2 from Denmark and 1 each from leagues in Britain, France, Poland, Ukraine, Norway and Slovakia.
Its quite a range of competition. Knowing who Rosen played against would be helpful to start giving context to his play. If it was against some of the weaker teams and he had 1 assist. That would be disappointing. We know for example Konecny and his Czech team played against a Finnish team a little bit ago. I think that makes his two goal game impressive.
Beyond the considerations you listed, I'm not sure teams treat champions league games with equal seriousness. They seem to treat domestic competition as their priority.
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We don't have "healthy scratches" here. I can't even find a roster limit. I know one team tried to have a 30 player roster and rotate which 21 players who got to play while the rest stayed home but the it ended up with a mutiny.
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Close, Brynäs IF and their arena has been flooded so it's almost a ship.
