F Igor Chernyshov - Saginaw Spirit, OHL (2024, 33rd, SJS)

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San Jose's putting on a clinic right now for how to accumulate picks and draft for a rebuild. It'll be interesting to see if they can take care of the second part and come out of the rebuild.

Yeah, I think the fans have been thrilled with what Grier has done for the most part. Like you said, the next big question is: can he actually build a competitive team? And can our staff develop our up and coming prospects?
 
San Jose's putting on a clinic right now for how to accumulate picks and draft for a rebuild. It'll be interesting to see if they can take care of the second part and come out of the rebuild.
We're hoping. Depends on how many of these picks hit.
 
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1A today (0:34 mark)

Fun fact: Dima Zhilkin, who scores first in the clip, is acting as translator for Igor. Dima is the younger brother of Danny Zhilkin (Jets prospect). Dima is going to be another really good prospect down the line. Late birthday so won't go til 2027. Small right now but should fill out. Danny is 6' 1" now. Tons of skill.
 
Fun fact: Dima Zhilkin, who scores first in the clip, is acting as translator for Igor. Dima is the younger brother of Danny Zhilkin (Jets prospect). Dima is going to be another really good prospect down the line. Late birthday so won't go til 2027. Small right now but should fill out. Danny is 6' 1" now. Tons of skill.
I was wondering if (and hoping) that there was a Russian on the team that Igor could hang out with.
 
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I wouldn't say the Sharks 2022 Draft was great. Bystedt looks decent but unspectacular in the A, Lund has been fine in the NCAA, may never be a high impact NHLer, and Havelid doesn't look like an NHLer right now with how he's done in the SHL and Allsvenskan. I would have taken Howard, Casey, & Hutson in the Sharks' slots. They might not get a high impact NHLer from their 2022 Draft.

In regards to Chernyshov, his performances in a limited sample have been very encouraging, even though it's junior and he's in his 19 year old season.
Sure that's fair but it goes to show that even with that draft the sharks probably still have the best set of prospects from those 3 drafts overall and amplifies how good their last 2 drafts look right now.

For the 22 draft I only have Bystedt and Lund projecting as possible NHLers and they are probably 7th and 8th behind players from the past 2 drafts.
 
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Sure that's fair but it goes to show that even with that draft the sharks probably still have the best set of prospects from those 3 drafts overall and amplifies how good their last 2 drafts look right now.

For the 22 draft I only have Bystedt and Lund projecting as possible NHLers and they are probably 7th and 8th behind players from the past 2 drafts.

That was also a more DW Jr. draft than a Grier draft. Grier didn’t have his guys really yet and he was basically just hired. I’m sure they gave him options and he made the choice with their advice, but it was an odd one and hard to count against him. If we come out of it with a good 3rd line center in Bystedt I’d be thrilled, honestly.
 
Igor is a 225 lb beast with good hands, shot, IQ, play making, and still getting used to playing NA Hockey.
I still think he made the right decision in playing in the OHL. After major surgery and questions about his finishing abilities he has adjusted fine and needed the confidence this year to develop into his next chapter of his career.
 
Misa's PPG increased from 2.02 to 2.13 in games played with Chernyshov. He was producing at an elite level before Chernyshov and you can't blame him for improving his production after a 19 year old with KHL experience was airlifted onto his line.

I do think anyone suggesting Misa has elite upside purely based on stats is probably out to lunch, but that doesn't mean he isn't the second best player in this draft. His upside is solid 1C (85 points with good-not-great defensive impact), floor is good 2LW. I think the most likely outcome is elite 2C/decent 1C. His stats are probably a little inflated based on ice time/Parekh/Saginaw's extreme run-and-gun system, but even if you took him down from 2.06 PPG on the season to Martone's 1.72, it wouldn't really change how I feel about Misa as a player.
 
Misa's PPG increased from 2.02 to 2.13 in games played with Chernyshov. He was producing at an elite level before Chernyshov and you can't blame him for improving his production after a 19 year old with KHL experience was airlifted onto his line.

I do think anyone suggesting Misa has elite upside purely based on stats is probably out to lunch, but that doesn't mean he isn't the second best player in this draft. His upside is solid 1C (85 points with good-not-great defensive impact), floor is good 2LW. I think the most likely outcome is elite 2C/decent 1C. His stats are probably a little inflated based on ice time/Parekh/Saginaw's extreme run-and-gun system, but even if you took him down from 2.06 PPG on the season to Martone's 1.72, it wouldn't really change how I feel about Misa as a player.
He doesn’t actually care about your argument. He just wants to rile up folks because he thinks they pick on Hagens for where he plays etc.
 
He doesn’t actually care about your argument. He just wants to rile up folks because he thinks they pick on Hagens for where he plays etc.
Look, if Misa has had such a masterful season, he should not be getting outproduced so thoroughly on the literal same line by a guy a draft ahead of him who was drafted in the second round.

Of course you want to make this about another player because it's not a flattering reality towards one of your favorites, but how thoroughly Chernyshov has outproduced Misa is a little alarming towards the quality of Misa's season.
 
Look, if Misa has had such a masterful season, he should not be getting outproduced so thoroughly on the literal same line by a guy a draft ahead of him who was drafted in the second round.

Of course you want to make this about another player because it's not a flattering reality towards one of your favorites, but how thoroughly Chernyshov has outproduced Misa is a little alarming towards the quality of Misa's season.

Thoroughly outproduced? Chernyshov had 4 more points than Misa since his arrival.

You realize it's much harder to maintain an incredibly high scoring pace over 65 games vs 23, right? Misa also played 66% of his games without Chernyshov in the lineup which also has to be accounted for.
 
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Thoroughly outproduced? Chernyshov had 4 more points than Misa since his arrival.
Okay we'll extrapolate that to a full season and we're talking about like 11 points more. That's not thorough?

You realize it's much harder to maintain an incredibly high scoring pace over 65 games vs 23, right? Misa also played 66% of his games without Chernyshov in the lineup which also has to be accounted for.
If your point is that Chernyshov isn't the 4th best OHL player of the 2000's (after McDavid, Kane, and some guy named Rob Schremp), we agree. I don't think he'd sustain 2.39 the whole season.
 
Okay we'll extrapolate that to a full season and we're talking about like 11 points more. That's not thorough?


If your point is that Chernyshov isn't the 4th best OHL player of the 2000's (after McDavid, Kane, and some guy named Rob Schremp), we agree. I don't think he'd sustain 2.39 the whole season.
Then why do you expect Misa to be at 2.39 or higher over a whole season?
 
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