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F Danila Yurov - Metallurg Magnitogorsk, KHL (2022, 24th, MIN)

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Pavel Buchnevich said:
You can say that, but do you think he’s happy to play 45 seconds per game? He must be frustrated. Nobody wants to train every day but not play in games. If he’s a top 10 pick, which I’m sure he will be, that heightens the situation. His future is going to be in the NHL, and I don’t think anyones going to be satisfied with another season of barely playing. Teams and players are now more willing to have the player leave early. I don’t think that’d be good, so I hope he starts getting more regular minutes, but Yurov may ask for a contract termination for next season and I don’t think Magnitka is going to stand in the way of a guy they barely use. Don’t be surprised and blame it all on the player if Yurov is playing AHL next season.
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I would blame on the player's poor intellect. I hope he is smarter than that. "Oh, but I am entitled to play X minutes, coach! I am a future star, coach!"

He should be happy he is in the KHL at 17. And he should understand that is way more most prospects ever get.

I also still don't get that weird logic. If he was a Canadian he would play a lot... in a junior league. Or he could play in the MHL all night. Then he wouldn't be frustrated? And if he played 60 minutes a game against 15 year olds?

He should be at least smart enough to understand that he is training every day not to play 5 minutes more now, but to have a successful, long career in the future.
 
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wings5 said:
Those are examples, Yurov is supposed to be top 5 with a higher potential than both Guryanov and Kostin. I'm saying it may not be the most ideal but he can still succeed with that path.
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I don't think what Kostin has now can be called a success. And Guryanov is also not the greatest 12OA all-time either so far.
 
Kshahdoo said:
He's 18 without 15 days. Look at where Buchnevich was at his age, and you don't think Buchnevich was that talented...
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Buchnevich was a PPG player in the MHL and got 2 points in 12 KHL games. With Severstal that was somewhere around the bottom half of the standings. MMG is the best team in the KHL right now.

It's like claiming Lucas Raymond would be on the top line in say Washington right now. But in Detroit he sure is the best player and has 22 points. In Washington that would make 4th in scoring among forwards. It does matter whether you are on a top team loaded with established stars or an another Severstal talent the team will ride till he leaves for different shores.
 
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Atas2000 said:
That's where you are wrong because you don't underatnd how different development systems work. That is indeed tragic.
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What? How is barely playing in real game situations good for development?

I’m criticizing Magnitogorsk’s handling of Yurov, not the Russian player development system which I think is one of the best in the world.
 
Atas2000 said:
He is a winger and it will obviously be a factor at draft day. My understanding is that Savoie did not get the WJC invite. I really wanted to see them all in the same tournament. But that is the tier I want to compare him to. Wright, Savoie select few who are projected to go in the Top5.
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I can see the talent level being up there with them but if he's not at center it will hurt his draft position.

I would still be interested in seeing him at center. He plays like Kuznetsov to my eye.
 
I am with you guys on this issue most of the time. I want to see them stay in Russia to develop to their full potential. When they are ready to play in an NHL top 9, then they should leave. There's no reason they should go to play NA juniors or AHL.

But I think a few of you, @Atas2000 @SoundAndFury are being naive and not willing to adapt to the changing times. Like it or not, players are more entitled nowadays. They have more leverage than they probably did 20, 10, even five years ago. Kravtsov, Podkolzin, Amirov, even going back a few further years with players like Kostin, Guryanov, Rubtsov are not waiting around. Being a first round pick, especially a high first round pick, comes with a certain status in the hockey prospect world.

These kids want to play at as high of a level as they can as soon as possible. You cannot tell me that Yurov will be satisfied with whatever he is given by Magnitka until they decide he is ready. They are a team that is usually a very good KHL team, and trying to compete. How do we know they'll even decide next season that he's ready for a regular top 9 role? A veteran may be a safer option for them in that role for a team looking to win. It wasn't like Samsonov was gifted a role at any point. He never got to develop into a great goalie with Magnitka. They had a veteran ahead of him.

You can't just put all of this on these kids. The teams must adapt. These kids expect more. I think there needs to be a realistic look at when the player is ready. If a kid is well advised, he will be realistic about this. They are not going to say give me a spot at 16 or I'll leave. However, they probably will expect to play at 17-18, depending on exactly how good they are. At that point, you must gift them a role, if you expect to retain them. I don't think its any more complicated than that.
 
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No professional player is Happy with 45 seconds of TOI.

That does not mean asking for contract termination or going overseas though
 
I don't understand them. If they aren't allowed to loan a player to other KHL team and don't have a VHL team in the system, why don't loan a player to a Liiga or Czech team? I'm sure those won't mind against a player of Yurov caliber, who can be helpful enough for pretty much nothing.

No KHL rules will be broken, and the kid gets a very good professional experience.
 
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QJL said:
What? How is barely playing in real game situations good for development?

I’m criticizing Magnitogorsk’s handling of Yurov, not the Russian player development system which I think is one of the best in the world.
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There are still people that think only playing games is development. Okay... Only a lot of coaches say that a lot of junior leagues' problem nowadays is they are playing too many gmes instead of practicing and working on their skills.

I stated in other posts. I take a more thorough approach to it rather than read the stats. I listened to what the coaches say about Yurov, his deployment and how they handle it. They have me convinced they know what they are doing and they care. Also watching him play in the recent junior tournament shows me he is absolutely on the right path.
 
majormajor said:
I can see the talent level being up there with them but if he's not at center it will hurt his draft position.

I would still be interested in seeing him at center. He plays like Kuznetsov to my eye.
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As I wrote I don't really care about where he will be picked. One can just hope he doesn't end up with a bad org.
 
MaxV said:
Panarin is a bad example. He already had a near PPG season with Vityaz. He already proved his quality before SKA.

Look, there are exceptions, I admit, but generally I feel that mid-to-lower-table KHL teams offer a better opportunity for young players to develop. There is a bigger margin for error there, young players won't get relagated to 4th line or to the press box after a bad stretch of games. There isn't this huge pressure to always be perfect.

To this day I maintain, and I know that some of you guys will disagree, the worst decision Maxim Chudinov ever made was leave Severstal for SKA. Look at the year he had in 11-12. 35 points in 52 games. Was he too aggressive? Yes. Was he making mistakes? Yes. But, he was learning and developing. He goes to SKA and they put shackles on him, make him into a conservative defensive guy. And thats what he became, a conservative defensive KHL defender.
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Good post, IMO. I quoted it in Yurov's thread because I want to get your take on Yurov's situation.
 
Officially made it to the World Juniors.


Btw, speaking of comparables I somehow can't help but think of young Kulemin (obviously the projection doen't include his career rather quickly going down the hill like in Kulemin's case).
 
Is he more of a two way guy or more a high skilled offensive guy, I wonder how compatible he could be with a line of

Formenton-Stutzle-Yurov.
 
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