F Charlie Stramel - Michigan State University, NCAA (2023, 21st, MIN)

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You can tell his stats are a product of being around better players now. He still doesn’t look like an NHL prospect. Especially not a first rounder. He might carve out a 4th line face-off specialist career.
Last year he was playing on the 4rth line, of course his stats were shit.

I do not agree with you, I watch him a few time this year and I still see a middle line upside. I do not think he can become a top 6 player thought
 
Does he go back or sign after the season? Since he was in NCAA prior to draft, his must sign is August 15, 2026. Hometown team so maybe he just signs after Senior year anyways, but the late NCAA breakouts are usually always the most scary for the August 15th UFA route.
 
Does he go back or sign after the season? Since he was in NCAA prior to draft, his must sign is August 15, 2026. Hometown team so maybe he just signs after Senior year anyways, but the late NCAA breakouts are usually always the most scary for the August 15th UFA route.
Stramel won't run out the clock to UFA, I kinda expect him to sign after State is done, but that would likely mean he gets sent to Iowa to play in the A for bit. Go back to East Lansing for one more year and more likely to get an opportunity right away for the Wild. We'll see.

He looks much better this year, but still probably just 3rd line upside, which is where I thought he'd be as a pro back when he was draft eligible.
 
Stramel won't run out the clock to UFA, I kinda expect him to sign after State is done, but that would likely mean he gets sent to Iowa to play in the A for bit. Go back to East Lansing for one more year and more likely to get an opportunity right away for the Wild. We'll see.

He looks much better this year, but still probably just 3rd line upside, which is where I thought he'd be as a pro back when he was draft eligible.
There’s a better chance of him playing four years because of the team that drafted him than playing four years if another team drafted him.

If he straight up tells Minnesota he wants to play four years and will sign with them after, why shouldn’t they trust him? Very rarely does a player get drafted by their hometown team and then run out the clock to not sign with that team.
 
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Stramel won't run out the clock to UFA, I kinda expect him to sign after State is done, but that would likely mean he gets sent to Iowa to play in the A for bit. Go back to East Lansing for one more year and more likely to get an opportunity right away for the Wild. We'll see.

He looks much better this year, but still probably just 3rd line upside, which is where I thought he'd be as a pro back when he was draft eligible.
He's still extremely raw. He likely ends up a 3rd liner, but too early to rule out him taking another step or two. It’s very clear he is still just figuring things out. Could be we are only scratching the surface.
 
When i think of "raw" players, i think of ones that have the tools, but not the ability to use them. Stramel is big and fairly strong, but i don't see the skating. It can always get better, but that could be said about every prospect.
 
When i think of "raw" players, i think of ones that have the tools, but not the ability to use them. Stramel is big and fairly strong, but i don't see the skating. It can always get better, but that could be said about every prospect.
It could always be better, but I don’t know of many people who have questioned his skating over the years. He may not be prime Chris Kreider, but for 6’3 215 he skates pretty well and I think certainly at an NHL level.
 
It could always be better, but I don’t know of many people who have questioned his skating over the years. He may not be prime Chris Kreider, but for 6’3 215 he skates pretty well and I think certainly at an NHL level.
I don't see that, at all.
 
When i think of "raw" players, i think of ones that have the tools, but not the ability to use them. Stramel is big and fairly strong, but i don't see the skating. It can always get better, but that could be said about every prospect.
He’s not yet filled out, so he’s going to get even stronger. Also, it’s clear he has skill he hasn’t learned how to employ. Skating is serviceable, above average when you consider his size. Pretty much the definition of raw. Players like him tend to take longer. I am wondering if we are watching the same player, TBH
 
Guerin gonna sign Stramel after State is done or another year back in East Lansing for him?
I think Guerin needs to decide if he thinks Stramel is ready or not for the pro game this summer. If he is ready, the Wild should sign him. If he's not ready, Guerin needs to come to peace with the idea that he may not ever play for the Wild - if he develops enough, he'll be a college UFA and play wherever he wants, whereas if he doesn't develop enough, he won't make it onto the Wild anyway.

If I've got the college UFA thing wrong, someone let me know. It's a little strange because he played college hockey in his draft year, so he won't have played 4 years after being drafted, but I believe players who graduate from an NCAA program become UFAs on August 15th after their graduation regardless.
 
I think Guerin needs to decide if he thinks Stramel is ready or not for the pro game this summer. If he is ready, the Wild should sign him. If he's not ready, Guerin needs to come to peace with the idea that he may not ever play for the Wild - if he develops enough, he'll be a college UFA and play wherever he wants, whereas if he doesn't develop enough, he won't make it onto the Wild anyway.

If I've got the college UFA thing wrong, someone let me know. It's a little strange because he played college hockey in his draft year, so he won't have played 4 years after being drafted, but I believe players who graduate from an NCAA program become UFAs on August 15th after their graduation regardless.
Stramel is UFA eligible August 15 2026. Would guess he's less likely to tell his hometown team to f*** off, unless they're not offering NHL ice time and other teams are.
 
He needs another year in College for sure. Keep him away from Iowa.
It's hard for me to speak with conviction here, but I think he does, too. He was scoring pretty well this year but ran into a wall with only 2 points in his last 9 games. I'd like to see a consistent college player rather than an inconsistent pro player. He is still getting a decent amount of shots on goal, though, so it's not all bad.

For reference, in those same 9 games his linemate Isaac Howard has 7 points.
 
It's hard for me to speak with conviction here, but I think he does, too. He was scoring pretty well this year but ran into a wall with only 2 points in his last 9 games. I'd like to see a consistent college player rather than an inconsistent pro player. He is still getting a decent amount of shots on goal, though, so it's not all bad.

For reference, in those same 9 games his linemate Isaac Howard has 7 points.
That seems like a weird thing to fixate on. So he’s scored well all year, but has had one bad stretch.

The question should be how is he playing, not whether his stats look nice in a 9 game span. That tells you a lot more. If the stats and play are the same, that tells you he’s been playing bad. If the stats and play are opposites, it tells you he’s getting unlucky (or in the contrary situation lucky), and he’s due for a positive regression to the mean.
 
That seems like a weird thing to fixate on. So he’s scored well all year, but has had one bad stretch.

The question should be how is he playing, not whether his stats look nice in a 9 game span. That tells you a lot more. If the stats and play are the same, that tells you he’s been playing bad. If the stats and play are opposites, it tells you he’s getting unlucky (or in the contrary situation lucky), and he’s due for a positive regression to the mean.
In what I've watched, he's played well but not outstanding like Howard is.
 
That seems like a weird thing to fixate on. So he’s scored well all year, but has had one bad stretch.

The question should be how is he playing, not whether his stats look nice in a 9 game span. That tells you a lot more. If the stats and play are the same, that tells you he’s been playing bad. If the stats and play are opposites, it tells you he’s getting unlucky (or in the contrary situation lucky), and he’s due for a positive regression to the mean.
The stats don't ever tell the whole story, but they do always tell some of the story. For me to have conviction on it, I need to hear from someone who has watched him play during this stretch of games. As I said, I can't speak from conviction about whether or not he's ready to move on, but this stretch gives me pause until I know more.

In what I've watched, he's played well but not outstanding like Howard is.
If that's the case, probably another year of NCAA would do him well. It's a big jump from NCAA to AHL, especially an AHL team as bad as the Iowa Wild.
 
In what I've watched, he's played well but not outstanding like Howard is.
I think they project very differently to the NHL.

Howard is going to be a top 6/9 complimentary scoring winger or not. He doesn't provide much value when it's not a scoring situation. Stramel brings value outside of scoring (face-offs, transitions, defense, puck battles, hitting), which is why I say I don't think small sample size stats are the thing to fixate on, especially given the stats have been there this year (it's not as if he's struggled to score all year).

If the play isn't there, then you have a player who isn't playing well. If a player who brings widespread value (not just scoring) has a weak scoring stretch, I'm not sure that really should be a crisis if the full game is there and the pucks just aren't ending up in the net for 9 games.
 
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Reminder just because a player goes back for a 4th year doesn't mean you can mark him as gone. The team holding his rights can still sign him after the college year ends, burn a year on his ELC and get him into games.

Waiting around until August 15th to see who is interested is risky if you have a team willing to sign you right then and there. By the time you get to 8/15, another draft has happened for teams to re-stock their prospect pool, Unaffiliated prospects will have signed for teams to get their bonus prospects, the free agent period has run its course for teams to fill up their NHL slots and even fill up their AHL slots with new guys on 2-way deals (many non-qualified 22-23 year olds coming off ELCs fall into this bucket, who are around the same age as a 4-year college player). It's a bit less straightforward than if they became a UFA upon their college season ending.

Obviously a player who is really good will be in demand regardless. But the bulk of 8/15 Off-the-Reserve List UFAs are guys that didn't progress that well and the team that held their rights wasn't interested in signing to an ELC.
 
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I think Stramel has more value than the second pick honestly. The second pick will be aroung +/- 53. I would rather keep Stramel and develop him into a defensive forward than pick with the 53.
 

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