I agree on Edstrom, he was my personal pick. I am not a Ritchie fan, and I also don't think the top end potentials for any of the three are very far off from each other.
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Interesting take. Ritchie averaging 1.6 ppg with Oshawa, voted best playmaker in OHL. Edstrom had solid year. Each with good size. Don't think either org would trade them for Stramel
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Perreault and Brindley were the obvious talents on the board for the Wild IMHO
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So you pass up a better asset for something that dwindles in value?
1 year removed from the draft, you can’t trade Stramel for Brindley straight up but at the draft you could have traded Minnesota 1st for Columbus 2nd straight up if they wanted to.
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Charlie Stramel is what happens when you draft for need in the NHL. Who cares if a team has a glut of any one or two particular positions in their line-up or prospect pool. You should always draft BPA. If, for some reason, you don't have any room in your line-up for a good to great prospect, they still can be of value in the trade market.
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I remember near the time of the draft Pronman said a few teams were still very high on him because of his D-1 season. I guess Minnesota was one of them. Minnesota also had the infamous Filip Johansson pick in 2018. Some teams didn't have him in their top 100 and he ended up going 24th.
Minnesota are polarizing drafters. They always go for big swings. Some big hits like Kaprizov, Boldy, Yurov, Eriksson Ek, and Rossi. Interesting style
Minnesota are polarizing drafters. They always go for big swings. Some big hits like Kaprizov, Boldy, Yurov, Eriksson Ek, and Rossi. Interesting style
Pavel Buchnevich
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You’re right, he’s what happens. We also don’t yet know what he will be, but I suspect you disagree with that and have already decided.
BPA is actually not as plausible as most here state. The NHL isn’t a video game. If you want to shift assets, it’s always possible, but not always for the type of value you want. And other teams aren’t going to throw you a life line when they know what you are trying to do. That often will cause you to move assets when their value is low because teams don’t usually trade the ones whose value is high.
BPA makes sense in some cases, but not when you are picking in the first round and have a bunch of established pieces at a position, unless the value is so much greater of the player type you have too many of. Might make sense when you are rebuilding and have more room to try things. Not the situation the Wild were in. Then again, Stramel might have been BPA at the draft and might in the future. Too early to say how it will work out.
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I’m more in favor of diversifying your prospect pool with later rounds but you do need to be a bit pragmatic throughout. If you drafted a small(ish), “skill” guy three years in a row you probably shouldn’t draft another. Otherwise you just have a bunch of guys competing for the same spot and you want to give everyone a fair shake, which often leads to the last guy to arrive the raw end of it and that’s bad for their development (this is part of how Yakupov ended up busting). Unless your scouts tell you that you absolutely have to because there’s no way so and so isn’t that much better than anyone else left.
That being said, overdoing it where you really really want a specific archetype and you look at a player not worthy of that draft status but who best fits the archetype is probably the wrong way to go about it.
That being said, overdoing it where you really really want a specific archetype and you look at a player not worthy of that draft status but who best fits the archetype is probably the wrong way to go about it.
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Johansson in 2018 and Stramel in 2023 are two completely different management and scouting regimes.
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Stramel isn't nearly as outrageous as Johansson was, and regardless of that, I'm still not sure what your point is when Johansson was taken with Fenton as the GM and Fletcher's scouting department, and Stramel was taken with Guerin as the GM and Guerin's scouting department. They were SIX drafts apart. It doesn't indicate any kind of trend you think it does.
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Stramel would have been gone in the next ten picks regardless.
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Is he just going to be another Jim O'Brien type of bust? Or the potential to reinvent himself as a player and become like a Michael McCarron in the Wild (or another team) bottom 6?
He's 19, he have time to reinvent himself. I really don't think he can be a top 6 type of player but can find his place on a bottom 6.
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If he improves his defensive game (contrary to what Pavel says, he is not an amazing defensive forward), he will have a lengthy career. Big forwards never go out of style even if they don't score much.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Damn, tough living for this kid. He hasn’t played hockey in like two months and he’s getting slaughtered again in the middle of his offseason.
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The old saying goes "you're a loser until you're a winner." He can change the narrative as soon as next year. Until then, he will face some scrutiny fairly and unfairly. Not his fault the Wild took him at least 10-20 spots too high, but he has to take a good portion of blame for not improving/progressing from freshman year (Granato) to sophomore year (Hastings).
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Pavel Buchnevich
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Dragged/slaughtered/criticized. It's semantics.
I just don't see why people need to rehash the same things that were discussed already. Let's at least wait until there's something new to talk more about him, whether good or bad.
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Interesting that he's staying in the same league. Though if anyone knows his game it's probably Adam Nightingale.
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Pre-Draft:
Stramel's 16 year old season: 45 GP, 28 PTS (combined u17 and u18 team stats)
Stramel"s 17 year old season: 28 GP, 23 PTS (combined u17 and u18 team stats)
Stramel's 18 year old season: 33 GP, 12 PTS (Wisconsin, NCAA)
Really good in the u18 and World Junior, but just solid, nothing spectacular in regular season play. Reminds me of Podkolzin on a smaller scale.
Stramel's 16 year old season: 45 GP, 28 PTS (combined u17 and u18 team stats)
Stramel"s 17 year old season: 28 GP, 23 PTS (combined u17 and u18 team stats)
Stramel's 18 year old season: 33 GP, 12 PTS (Wisconsin, NCAA)
Really good in the u18 and World Junior, but just solid, nothing spectacular in regular season play. Reminds me of Podkolzin on a smaller scale.
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