F Cayden Lindstrom - Medicine Hat Tigers, WHL (2024, 4th, CBJ)

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Yeah, the key is a very good PT.

I've had multiple back injuries resulting in completely debilitating back spasms.

The last time it happened after I simply sneezed (i'm only 30yo fyi and workout most days of the week). I devoted 6 months with a very good PT after that (he trains world record-setting junior olympic weightlifters), realized how I didn't stabilize and strengthen my core correctly, and have been great (with normal good and bad days, mostly good) ever since.

Hockey is brutal on your core. Certainly hope he's got a great PT or this will most certainly be a recurring muscular issue for him.
Yep that’s exactly the sort of thing I’ve seen with back injuries that have happened to people close to me in my life, including my brother and mom. The only real way to mitigate it is to have an exceptionally strong core. Cayden will have to be very dedicated to maintaining his form for his whole career. He seems like the kind of kid who could do it, but I confess it would make me a little worried if I was drafting in the top-5.
 

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Agreed.

If Demidov is not there for us at 5, i rather take Sennecke, Iginla if i must or the "worst" scenario is a choice of likely top 2 defenseman.

What i wll NOT do with a 5th OA is take a kid that alresdy suffrred a serious back problem.
Again, the devil is in the details. How serious was the injury? Maybe not so bad, and it's something that has healed completely. I don't know, and neither do you, so it's kind of silly to speculate about something that we know nothing but rumours about. There is a massive range of outcomes for injuries and medical conditions, and any doctor will tell you that they won't give an opinion on a patient that they haven't seen a chart for, or examined, or both.
 
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The first time my back said hello was when i was taking out a battery from the trunk and the back SUDDEN pain leveled me to the concrete floor, in a garage in -20 weather. Worse was my wife was out of town as i was literally squirming in pain on the floor.

Apparently is a muscle/nerve issue where it comes and goes as it wants, one time triggered by just coming out of the shower.

That is my experience with that level of pain so i can't see someone with a herniated disk being able to have the most physical demanding career without pain killers and associated issues.

I love what Lindstrome brings, but let someone else deal with potential issues.

Again, the devil is in the details. How serious was the injury? Maybe not so bad, and it's something that has healed completely. I don't know, and neither do you, so it's kind of silly to speculate about something that we know nothing but rumours about. There is a massive range of outcomes for injuries and medical conditions, and any doctor will tell you that they won't give an opinion on a patient that they haven't seen a chart for, or examined, or both.
Fine. Great. I'm good with your team or any other team drafting him.
 
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The first time my back said hello was when i was taking out a battery from the trunk and the back SUDDEN pain leveled me to the concrete floor, in a garage in -20 weather. Worse was my wife was out of town as i was literally squirming in pain on the floor.

Apparently is a muscle/nerve issue where it comes and goes as it wants, one time triggered by just coming out of the shower.

That is my experience with that level of pain so i can't see someone with a herniated disk being able to have the most physical demanding career without pain killers and associated issues.

I love what Lindstrome brings, but let someone else deal with potential issues.


Fine. Great. I'm good with your team or any other team drafting him.
Where did you get your medical training, and when did you examine Lindstrom? Do you really think that you have more information available to you than the NHL staffs about his condition? Just because you(among millions of others) have had back problems, it does not make you qualified to opine on Lindstrom's back injury.
 
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Where did you get your medical training, and when did you examine Lindstrom? Do you really think that you have more information available to you that the NHL staffs about his condition? Just because you(among millions of others) have had back problems, it does not make you qualified to opine on Lindstrom's back injury.
It qualifies me to the level of debilitation a back problem brings AND having to deal with it from others at work.

You have a different opinion, great. Don't care. Don't give a flying....sanctimony included.

i don't want the Habs to draft him on the POTENTIAL issue.
 

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Where did you get your medical training, and when did you examine Lindstrom? Do you really think that you have more information available to you than the NHL staffs about his condition? Just because you(among millions of others) have had back problems, it does not make you qualified to opine on Lindstrom's back injury.
“When did you become an nhl scout? Do you really think you can evaluate a prospect better than an nhl team? Just because your played beer league doesn’t mean you’re qualified to come on hfboards and evaluate prospects.”
 

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I'm not a doctor, but sure thing is hearing "herniated disc" is not something you take lightly, in general.

Maybe there have been medical advances since, but all the people I know who suffered from it, it was something that don't go away.

And back in the days, when they performed surgeries, it was disc fusion, which is debilitating because the person loose some movement capacity. Which is no good for a pro athlete.

But, at the end of the day, NHL teams have access to all sorts of medical specialists. So if they don't seem to bother, why would we?
 

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I'm not a doctor, but sure thing is hearing "herniated disc" is not something you take lightly, in general.

Maybe there have been medical advances since, but all the people I know who suffered from it, it was something that don't go away.

And back in the days, when they performed surgeries, it was disc fusion, which is debilitating because the person loose some movement capacity. Which is no good for a pro athlete.

But, at the end of the day, NHL teams have access to all sorts of medical specialists. So if they don't seem to bother, why would we?
Not to go too far afield, but wasn't this the issue with Eichel in Buffalo? He wanted to use artificial disc to fix his neck injury and they dind't approve, if I recall. He got dealt, had the surgery, and helped lead Vegas to Cup. Obviously I have no idea how severe Lindstrom's injury is, but while this could be something that stays with him medical advances have made a lot less injuries career-imperiling.
 
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We don’t have enough information to speculate. A herniated disc can range in severity from being a mild annoyance for a few months that only requires rest to heal, to a major injury with complications that requires surgery(s). Likewise, the outlook can range from being effectively fully healed in a matter of months and never recurring, to being debilitating and limiting the person’s mobility and activities for the rest of their life (in extreme cases, i.e., car accidents). By the sounds of it, Lindstrom’s case isn’t anything major, but if it is, teams will know.
 

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We don’t have enough information to speculate. A herniated disc can range in severity from being a mild annoyance for a few months that only requires rest to heal, to a major injury with complications that requires surgery(s). Likewise, the outlook can range from being effectively fully healed in a matter of months and never recurring, to being debilitating and limiting the person’s mobility and activities for the rest of their life (in extreme cases, i.e., car accidents). By the sounds of it, Lindstrom’s case isn’t anything major, but if it is, teams will know.
Still, no doctor in the world will be able to say 100% it won't be a recurring problem... Teams won't really know for sure. There are odds, and that's it.
 

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Still, no doctor in the world will be able to say 100% it won't be a recurring problem... Teams won't really know for sure. There are odds, and that's it.
Nobody can say anything about the future with 100% certainty, expert or otherwise. But with these kinds of things, doctors can predict a prognosis with a high degree of accuracy. This is a very common injury. As such, upon examination, doctors will have a very good idea of what they are dealing with and what to expect.
 

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My team is picking at 12 so I can't have too much of an opinion here. But I've always preferred Catton anyway (I know, I know, I'm alone here). I do wonder if some teams choose the second name on their board instead of Lindstrom due to the injury. Even if, he goes top 7 instead of top 5
 
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Yep that’s exactly the sort of thing I’ve seen with back injuries that have happened to people close to me in my life, including my brother and mom. The only real way to mitigate it is to have an exceptionally strong core. Cayden will have to be very dedicated to maintaining his form for his whole career. He seems like the kind of kid who could do it, but I confess it would make me a little worried if I was drafting in the top-5.
As someone with disc issues going on 10+ years, I wouldn't risk a top 5 pick on an 18 year old who had surgery but that's just me.
 

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Not to go too far afield, but wasn't this the issue with Eichel in Buffalo? He wanted to use artificial disc to fix his neck injury and they dind't approve, if I recall. He got dealt, had the surgery, and helped lead Vegas to Cup. Obviously I have no idea how severe Lindstrom's injury is, but while this could be something that stays with him medical advances have made a lot less injuries career-imperiling.
Yes but clearly Eichel’s issue was much worse and in his neck. For most people, the more likely problem area is their low back (lumbar discs). Spinal fusion has been the go to “solution” for bad discs for years but now disc replacement is becoming more of a thing. I have Degenerative Disc Disease so unfortunately I’ve had to learn a lot about this stuff. The problem with fusion surgery, besides the obvious lack of mobility as 2 vertebrae are literally fused together, is that it then puts that much more pressure on the discs above and below the fusion point, likely causing them to eventually go bad, cause issues and need to be addressed as well (more fusions). Disc replacement is supposed to be different, but it’s still pretty new so we don’t really know how well they last longterm. The surgeon at Mayo told me they’re expected to last 10 years. But who knows.

That’s probably more detail than you wanted lol and it’s well beyond what Lindstrom is dealing with but maybe it’s something he eventually has to deal with.

We don’t have enough information to speculate. A herniated disc can range in severity from being a mild annoyance for a few months that only requires rest to heal, to a major injury with complications that requires surgery(s). Likewise, the outlook can range from being effectively fully healed in a matter of months and never recurring, to being debilitating and limiting the person’s mobility and activities for the rest of their life (in extreme cases, i.e., car accidents). By the sounds of it, Lindstrom’s case isn’t anything major, but if it is, teams will know.
Totally agree. We have absolutely no idea, but the teams do. My history of back issues would make me cautious to pick him early but I have no idea how severe his back injury was or if it means anything in terms of greater risk going forward.
 

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Totally agree. We have absolutely no idea, but the teams do. My history of back issues would make me cautious to pick him early but I have no idea how severe his back injury was or if it means anything in terms of greater risk going forward.
My history of back issues tells me that it could be a non-issue. I had the same injury about 15 years ago. Things like hockey have never been an problem, while other things that most people wouldn’t think anything about can cause problems. Thats what I’m saying; we don’t know, but the doctors, and in turn, the teams, will have a very good idea of what they are dealing with if they take him. He hasn’t had surgery, which is a good indication that it’s not severe. People on here are jumping the gun on this with incomplete information just because it’s a back injury.
 

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My history of back issues tells me that it could be a non-issue. I had the same injury about 15 years ago. Things like hockey have never been a problem, while other things that most people wouldn’t think anything about can cause problems. Thats what I’m saying; we don’t know, but the doctors, and in turn, the teams, will have a very good idea of what they are dealing with if they take him. He hasn’t had surgery, which is a good indication that it’s not severe. People on here are jumping the gun on this with incomplete information just because it’s a back injury.
Yeah, I’m agreeing with you…
 

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Good post. I’m not sure what was with all the concern trolling before considering how multiple sources said he was fine/the injury was a non-issue.

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Meant to quote Garbageyuk’s post
 

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My history of back issues tells me that it could be a non-issue. I had the same injury about 15 years ago. Things like hockey have never been an problem, while other things that most people wouldn’t think anything about can cause problems. Thats what I’m saying; we don’t know, but the doctors, and in turn, the teams, will have a very good idea of what they are dealing with if they take him. He hasn’t had surgery, which is a good indication that it’s not severe. People on here are jumping the gun on this with incomplete information just because it’s a back injury.
The bolded is the key point.
 
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