mouser
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The NHL hasn't said anything otherwise. So we assume right now the buyout window will work the same.
Though it's possible we don't have every single detail of the expansion draft yet.
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The NHL hasn't said anything otherwise. So we assume right now the buyout window will work the same.
Though it's possible we don't have every single detail of the expansion draft yet.
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Another buyout question that I was asking on another board a week or two ago. The buyout window starts the later of the 15th or 48 hours after the Cup is handed out. If for some reason we have alot of long series this year, is it not possible that the buyout window doesn't open until the day of or after the protection lists are due making it impossible to buyout players who have these NMC contracts that people assume will be bought out?
LadyStanley
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https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-2016-2017-season-schedule-announced/c-281003352
Doesn't look like it. My guess is that latest the Stanley Cup would be awarded is around June 10th or so.
If a player is a UFA at expansion draft, that means they are coming back from Europe or didn't play in North America the previous season. (And I don't think that's what you meant.)
Pending UFAs (contracts don't expire until 6/30) can be protected or exposed, based on the team's desires.
Their eligibility for exposure is based on years played, not (pending) free agent status.
Expiring UFAs with NMCs do not need to be protected.
BUT, it may impact your fans if they see a team expose (pending UFA) team captain or face of the franchise player as you plan to re-sign him immediately after the expansion draft, and protect another young vet. (And could be grounds for NHL fining/taking draft picks/players away, if it gets majorly abused.)
A number of pundits have pointed out this loophole and how teams may choose to use it to expose an expiring UFA and protect another player.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592
Am I understanding this corruptly? The UFA with NMCs until June 30th apparently must be protected and count towards the club limit.
mouser
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Bolding the key part of the article you quoted: "All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft".
In the context of the draft this means players with contracts including NMC's that are current (2016-17) AND continuing (2017-18). Any player that does not have an NMC in effect for both seasons does not need to be protected. UFA's would not need to be protected because they wouldn't have an NMC for 2017-18.
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Depends on what they paid you and for what. And we're certainly not supposed to be commenting on what you do in your private time.
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I just came across this in The Hockey News:
Could that work in theory if a team changed a player's position? For example, if the Pens changed Fleury's position to F, gave him a 10-second shift in game 82 and called up Jarry as their 2nd goalie to back up Murray, would that work? Could they protect Murray as G and Fleury as F?
What are the rules on changing positions anyway, who says that a G can't be a skater (or vice versa) if he's good enough?
Or what if Burns or Buff played 41 games each on D and F? As what would they be protected?
Could that work in theory if a team changed a player's position? For example, if the Pens changed Fleury's position to F, gave him a 10-second shift in game 82 and called up Jarry as their 2nd goalie to back up Murray, would that work? Could they protect Murray as G and Fleury as F?
What are the rules on changing positions anyway, who says that a G can't be a skater (or vice versa) if he's good enough?
Or what if Burns or Buff played 41 games each on D and F? As what would they be protected?
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I'm fairly certain that would never work with Bettman et al. They'll look at the position the player has had for his entire NHL career and quickly deduce someone was trying to be clever. Keep in mind that cheating on the expansion draft can have severe consequences to the team too.
I'm fairly certain that would never work with Bettman et al. They'll look at the position the player has had for his entire NHL career and quickly deduce someone was trying to be clever. Keep in mind that cheating on the expansion draft can have severe consequences to the team too.
I agree. The stakes seem awfully high this time around for a stunt like the one Imlach pulled.
Nice try though.
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The answer to this may be somewhere within this thread, but too lazy to go look for it.
Question about the 7 players that Vegas selects in the expansion draft from the 30 teams that may not make the roster.
Regarding the expansion draft, so Vegas picks 30 players (one from each team). On top of that I'm sure they'll sign some UFAs. So the players that are picked up in the expansion draft and who don't make the 23 man roster, what's their status? I assume Vegas will trade them (but they can't be traded back to their old team until after January 1, 2018)? Otherwise these players would have to go through waivers before they could be sent to the Vegas's AHL affiliate?
Question about the 7 players that Vegas selects in the expansion draft from the 30 teams that may not make the roster.
Regarding the expansion draft, so Vegas picks 30 players (one from each team). On top of that I'm sure they'll sign some UFAs. So the players that are picked up in the expansion draft and who don't make the 23 man roster, what's their status? I assume Vegas will trade them (but they can't be traded back to their old team until after January 1, 2018)? Otherwise these players would have to go through waivers before they could be sent to the Vegas's AHL affiliate?
They could be traded but Vegas will have an AHL affiliate that will need to fill out a roster. Those 7 players could be sent through waivers (I'm assuming that if your expansion draft eligible you're probably also waiver eligible) and assigned there. There is a 5 veteran limit in the AHL so hopefully two of those seven players haven't hit the 260 professional game limit by the start of the 2017-18 season.
Vegas doesn't even have that lined up, Mike, wouldn't they need to have multiple affiliates including the ECHL?
LadyStanley
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Maybe, maybe not.
From the reading I've done, GMGM is looking to build a NHL roster (23), and get some depth for AHL.
They may have "shared" AHL affiliate next season (5 or so players) until they have enough prospects to fill a full roster (plus the vets/journeymen). They could also have one or more ECHL affiliates to place some depth guys.
Don't forget the 7+ guys they'll get in the entry draft, AND any "future consideration" trade assets they acquire. Some may be in juniors or college or Europe and won't need a pro roster spot.
mouser
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Most pundits expect Vegas to draft at least 2-4 extra defensemen for trade. Those are probably going to be the most valuable expendable trade assets Vegas acquires. Then add in 1-2 goalies that are waiver exempt and destined for the AHL.
That gets us close to the 23 man roster. Of course Vegas is going to likely pick up a few UFA's. I doubt Vegas is going to pick any player in the expansion draft with the intention of sending them to the AHL, other then the exempt goalies. I would guess the team will select some young players that have yet to establish themselves as NHL regulars. So expect some # of those players to not make the final roster and end up in the AHL or lost on waivers.
Yes but even in shared arrangements they need to provide a certain amount of players. That's where those extra seven players from the expansion draft come in. They can help form the basis of whatever minor league system Vegas' creates for their first year of operation.
The rest of the players will have to be free agents or trade acquisitions. Like Mouser says, there will probably be some extra defensemen kicking around so parts of those trades can be young players for the different affiliates.
LadyStanley
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Personally - don't see the rush to make future consideration trade by TDL.
I think their motivation is more to sign undrafted graduating college players and undrafted juniors (that are eligible to signed out of season).
CorgisPer60
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Well, that string of tweets kind of puts the kibosh on any sort of trade with Vegas that would help alleviate expansion draft consideration, like MAF to Vegas in exchange for a draft pick and then picking some random ass no name player. I wonder if that trade consideration only applies for the duration of the regular season and the playoffs, with Vegas being able to trade for roster players once the season is concluded.
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I see here that Vegas must "spend" this amount at the draft, but how much are they required to spend for the 17/18 season? Do they have to meet the floor like everyone else? Or does this 60% number also apply to the playing season?
BattleBorn
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Must get to at least 60% at the expansion draft, have the comply with the cap like any other team once everything's underway.
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Could there be deals on TDL including future considerations in form of player to be traded to the team post-Expansion Draft or would that be circumvention of the draft rules?
LadyStanley
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I meant trades between existing members of the League. Say, for example, if Montreal and Calgary make a trade, could such a trade include "Future Consideration" in form of "MTL trades Beaulie to CGY after expansion draft"?
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