Examining if the Toronto Maple Leafs Play is Inconsistent

[OldTimeHockey]

It's hard to give a crap when you know you've already received the biggest monetary prize of your life, undeserved, guaranteed no matter what you do.

Much easier to take most nights off, leave the rink unscathed and play some Playstation with the boys.

Why wouldn't that be true of the other 700 NHL players?

 

[Cobra777]

Wow that is telling. You mean showing up is not enough to scare the opponent into submission ??

lol too funny

 

[Notsince67]

It's utterly ridiculous and pointless. The whole genre is. And the people that tend to support it are. Like seriously, someone felt the need to use numbers? C'mon man. What the hell results was he expecting to see? The Leafs are actually the definition of consistency? f*** me.

 

[Cobra777]

Just an observation which I don't think is coincidence but when Lamoriello was general Manager here yes he signed some bad contracts but AM, Nylander, Marner, Reilly were dynamic in the 1st two seasons with AM this team was fast, sooo exciting to watch, top knotch speed and passing plays, our top guys came to play most nights.

Hockey pundits from TSN to Sportsnet called them one of the most exciting teams in the league.
In an era of so called cancel culture Lamoriello 's no facial hair and some other rules were abided by the players to this day which to me signals respect for the man. He was always touted a man who required players to give their all and if you did he treated you as a son.

Just funny how when he went to the Isles that a team struggling got a new coach in Trotz and flourished with rounds in the post season two consecutive years while the Leafs started to struggle with inconsistencies no so much the 1st year after his departure but the second year in which we saw Babcock fired, JT with only 26 goals and both Marner and Nylander not the same as those exciting seasons.

Is it just coincidence?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Just an observation which I don't think is coincidence but when Lamoriello was general Manager here yes he signed some bad contracts but AM, Nylander, Marner, Reilly were dynamic in the 1st two seasons with AM this team was fast, sooo exciting to watch, top knotch speed and passing plays, our top guys came to play most nights.

Hockey pundits from TSN to Sportsnet called them one of the most exciting teams in the league.
In an era of so called cancel culture Lamoriello 's no facial hair and some other rules were abided by the players to this day which to me signals respect for the man. He was always touted a man who required players to give their all and if you did he treated you as a son.

Just funny how when he went to the Isles that a team struggling got a new coach in Trotz and flourished with rounds in the post season two consecutive years while the Leafs started to struggle with inconsistencies no so much the 1st year after his departure but the second year in which we saw Babcock fired, JT with only 26 goals and both Marner and Nylander not the same as those exciting seasons.

Is it just coincidence?

Last season in just 70 games Matthews had a career high of 47 goals and 80 points and he was on pace for 55 goals and 90+ points if all 82 games were able to be played. So how was he more dynamic in his first two years just because Lamoriello was the GM and not Dubas.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Examining if the Toronto Maple Leafs Play is Inconsistent

Spoiler Alert: Yes

This graph is particularly telling. The leafs just don't give a shit on many nights.

So all this after 5 games eh. Whoever wrote that should go shake their head. I glanced at it didn’t read it. If its about last year it’s irrelevant

 

[zeke]

Examining if the Toronto Maple Leafs Play is Inconsistent

Spoiler Alert: Yes

This graph is particularly telling. The leafs just don't give a shit on many nights.

Legit fascinating stuff here.

It's both encouraging and discouraging

I would like to see the split between babs and Keefe here tho.

 

[koyvoo]

Aside from the first 15-20 games of Keefe’s reign, which may or may not have been attributed to the traditional boost a team gets early in a coaching change, we’ve been barely above a .500 team for about 2 full calendar years now.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Legit fascinating stuff here.

It's both encouraging and discouraging

I would like to see the split between babs and Keefe here tho.

So it’s going back a year also or more is it. I don’t even read this garbage and it’s not legit to me

 

[zeke]

So it’s going back a year also or more is it. I don’t even read this garbage

I believe it's either the previous 2yrs or the previous 3yrs, depending on what '18-'20 means.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Aside from the first 15-20 games of Keefe’s reign, which may or may not have been attributed to the traditional boost a team gets early in a coaching change, we’ve been barely above a .500 team for about 2 full calendar years now.

This is the kind of posts that are bordering on masochistic. Lets take out the positive numbers so we can focus on the negative. Go on man

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I believe it's either the previous 2yrs or the previous 3yrs, depending on what '18-'20 means.

It should only be on keefe. He’s the coach now. Wow man, in don’t live in past. I guess I’m the exception.

 

[Dale Gribble]

You needed a graph to tell you that?

A guy like Siegel would eat this up though, as he seems to have zero concept of the "eye test".

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Data sure matches da eye test ... what I don't understand is why? Why do we tend to sh*t da bed as a group ... kinda like chicks going to can together ... and strength of team has little to do with it? Remember Ducks game in Cali last year? OMG i want to forget it now

 

[Cobra777]

Last season in just 70 games Matthews had a career high of 47 goals and 80 points and he was on pace for 55 goals and 90+ points if all 82 games were able to be played. So how was he more dynamic in his first two years just because Lamoriello was the GM and not Dubas.

In my other posts in other threads I felt that Mathews was the only player to be consistent and carry play with excellent puck support, he did struggle that one season Boston playoffs though where he did not stand out but that can happen to any player for different reasons. I felt that out of the 4 that Mathews is most deserved.
Mabe I did not word my post proper, but the team in whole blew me away AM's 1st two seasons as all the youngster were just phenomenal.

Instead of saying AM's 1st two seasons where it seems I included AM, I should have put the yr. seasons instead,
my bad.

 

[koyvoo]

This is the kind of posts that are bordering on masochistic. Lets take out the positive numbers so we can focus on the negative. Go on man

It doesn’t need to get that deep or emotional.


Looking at the state of the team for the past two calendar years. I’m not going to say that the only reason those first 15-20 games under Keefe were the anomaly in the rate we’ve produced points in these past two years is because of a possible bump on form after a coaching change, bit considering that those traits are indeed an anomaly in these two years, and that coaching changes often do see a short lived bump in point accumulation, I’m just saying it can’t be discounted either. It’s not entirely out of the realm of possibilities that we just aren’t that good.

 

[LeafsNation75]

In my other posts in other threads I felt that Mathews was the only player to be consistent and carry play with excellent puck support, he did struggle that one season Boston playoffs though where he did not stand out but that can happen to any player for different reasons. I felt that out of the 4 that Mathews is most deserved.
Mabe I did not word my post proper, but the team in whole blew me away AM's 1st two seasons as all the youngster were just phenomenal.

Instead of saying AM's 1st two seasons where it seems I included AM, I should have put the yr. seasons instead,
my bad.

Thank you for clearing that up and if I was able to I would have given your post a like, however for now I'm not allowed to do that.

 

[ACC1224]

Examining if the Toronto Maple Leafs Play is Inconsistent

Spoiler Alert: Yes

This graph is particularly telling. The leafs just don't give a shit on many nights.

There is no ‘if’.

 

[Cobra777]

Thank you for clearing that up and if I was able to I would have given your post a like, however for now I'm not allowed to do that.

No worries, glad you pointed that out as AM to me is a great player and getting that 200 ft game very respectfully as well

 

[Wafflewhipper]

It doesn’t need to get that deep or emotional.


Looking at the state of the team for the past two calendar years. I’m not going to say that the only reason those first 15-20 games under Keefe were the anomaly in the rate we’ve produced points in these past two years is because of a possible bump on form after a coaching change, bit considering that those traits are indeed an anomaly in these two years, and that coaching changes often do see a short lived bump in point accumulation, I’m just saying it can’t be discounted either. It’s not entirely out of the realm of possibilities that we just aren’t that good.

Under Keefe we are better. Mixing in other coaches is disingenuous. Everything has improved under Sheldn Keefe basically. Keefe has only 52 games NHL experience still also. Focusing articles of stats across two coaches is shady. Everything is better under Keefe but we have to read these usless stats that have nothing to do with keefe for most part. Isn’t that really misleading. It is for me.
The guy would have been out of a job had we won the last game and had a 4-1 record.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Thank you for clearing that up and if I was able to I would have given your post a like, however for now I'm not allowed to do that.

Haha lol me either

 

[Prominence]

apparently

Examining if the Toronto Maple Leafs Play is Inconsistent

Spoiler Alert: Yes

This graph is particularly telling. The leafs just don't give a shit on many nights.

I like this post. It may be “obvious,” but having evidence to support a claim is apparently preposterous in this thread.

 

[Critical13]

It's weird to see the "Eye Test Truthers" come out here, like these graphs called their mama's fat.

Is this like a "fake news" movement within our fanbase or are we really saying stats are pointless and garbage?

 

[Jojalu]

This to me just shows that the Leafs are an average hockey team with some high end talent and when they are on they can dominate.

The narrative of heart and compete is hardly a factor. Why would the Maple Leafs be any different than all other teams who lose 40% of their games? Do they not compete or have heart?

Other players, and the list is huge that have been paid a ransom without ever winning don't get thrown under the bus and accused of not caring.

I send kids to college and the pros.. You don't make it in any slort without being the hardest worker and incredibly disciplined.

Great players have lousy days. Nothing to do with heart. Hall of Famers have had multiple days where nothing works and they go pointless. This never ending desire to point the finger and blame the other doesn't make sense.

Both analytics and the eye test compliment each other. Analytics can help curb our desire for confirmation bias, which we all fall into.

To me the Leafs are just a slightly above average team and that is why we see such peaks and valleys.

 

[zeke]

It's weird to see the "Eye Test Truthers" come out here, like these graphs called their mama's fat.

Is this like a "fake news" movement within our fanbase or are we really saying stats are pointless and garbage?

Well, no, the eye test guys really really like goals and points. Those stats they like.