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Boston Bruno said:
I just posted a link about Seguin. I thought some people would like it.
Nothing more. I shouldn't have replied to the quote.. sorry for the implied reply.

I no more blAme eriksson than I blame myself. Loui did great this year for us.
Still would have traded him though, lol
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That guy has been saying stupid things about Eriksson since the beginning. They should have traded him based on his age and desire for 5-6 years,if the return was close to equitable.
 
man, seeing Drouin being a big contributor for Tampa right now definitely has me rethinking my stance on Dougie.

When the trade happened and it came out that he forced their hand I was fine with it because why bother keeping a guy who doesn't want to be here?

Seeing the patience Tampa has had with Drouin has given me a new perspective though. I mean that kid flat out asked for a trade, refused to report and his agent had a war of words with the GM. Yzerman didn't blink. He waited it out for months because he knew the team had all the leverage and finally the kid realized what was best for him was to play and now he's looking awesome for the Bolts.

It definitely makes me wonder if the Bruins might not have been better off playing hardball with Dougie. He's not responding to contract offers? Fine. wait. let him hold out. Match an offer sheet and have faith that at some point he'll have a come to Jesus moment and realize he belongs on the ice.

I'm just getting really sick of seeing other teams handle this tricky situations with so much more patience than the Bruins.

Imagine the Drouin situation happening in Boston. Is there any doubt the Bruins would have made a panic trade for pennies on the dollar ASAP? There's no way they'd have waited that situation out for several months.
 
RussellmaniaKW said:
man, seeing Drouin being a big contributor for Tampa right now definitely has me rethinking my stance on Dougie.

When the trade happened and it came out that he forced their hand I was fine with it because why bother keeping a guy who doesn't want to be here?

Seeing the patience Tampa has had with Drouin has given me a new perspective though. I mean that kid flat out asked for a trade, refused to report and his agent had a war of words with the GM. Yzerman didn't blink. He waited it out for months because he knew the team had all the leverage and finally the kid realized what was best for him was to play and now he's looking awesome for the Bolts.

It definitely makes me wonder if the Bruins might not have been better off playing hardball with Dougie. He's not responding to contract offers? Fine. wait. let him hold out. Match an offer sheet and have faith that at some point he'll have a come to Jesus moment and realize he belongs on the ice.

I'm just getting really sick of seeing other teams handle this tricky situations with so much more patience than the Bruins.

Imagine the Drouin situation happening in Boston. Is there any doubt the Bruins would have made a panic trade for pennies on the dollar ASAP? There's no way they'd have waited that situation out for several months.
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Huge difference in these two situations: the offer sheet


PC was going to Offer sheet dougie, no question. The threat of an offer sheet wasn't there with Drouin like it was with Dougie...not only that, but simply signing a huge offer sheet for Dougie would have put the bruins in another cap situation down the road...and as we have seen from Dougie this past season and if you were really paying attention to his play the season before...he's not worth 7 million. I think the Bruins were right to cut ties and get the most amount of draft picks they could. I would have prefered Johnny hockey or Monahan in return but it takes two to tango.
 
GloryDaze4877 said:
And at what point does some of this go back on the player? When do these guys that are getting paid millions of dollars to play a kid's game have some accountability? I guess in the end you can always blame the team because they were the ones that drafted or acquired them?

Each player and deal needs to be looked at individually. Seguin, Dougie, Smith...all individuals and the issues here were all different. It's funny because Kessel used to be included in this group until he didn't work out in Toronto either. I'm not "absolving the front office" of all guilt, just like I'm not blaming them for everything, as some here do. There rarely appears to be any middle ground.

As far as a trend line goes, and this has been discussed before, Marchand, Krejci, Lucic, Bergeron, McQuaid, Boychuk, Savard...all players that thrived from a young age in Boston or came from a different organization with baggage or because they didn't meet expectations. This year there was Vatrano and Acciari.

Why did they work out and the others didn't? If I could tell you that, I would be in a different line of work, and probably happier. Bottom line is there's plenty of blame to go around and it's on the FO and player, not one or the other.
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Kessel, Sequin, and Hamilton all very high 1st round picks. Perhaps
Management thought they should be able to come right in and be a
difference maker. When they weren't, mngmt wasn't willing to give them time. Just a guess.

I do think it has something to do with high end talent, and in Sequins case, not willing to let him mature.
 
Good article on B's draft pick Wacey Rabbit in the Calgary Herald.
Interesting read.
Duffy in Mineville.
 
RussellmaniaKW said:
man, seeing Drouin being a big contributor for Tampa right now definitely has me rethinking my stance on Dougie.

When the trade happened and it came out that he forced their hand I was fine with it because why bother keeping a guy who doesn't want to be here?

Seeing the patience Tampa has had with Drouin has given me a new perspective though. I mean that kid flat out asked for a trade, refused to report and his agent had a war of words with the GM. Yzerman didn't blink. He waited it out for months because he knew the team had all the leverage and finally the kid realized what was best for him was to play and now he's looking awesome for the Bolts.

It definitely makes me wonder if the Bruins might not have been better off playing hardball with Dougie. He's not responding to contract offers? Fine. wait. let him hold out. Match an offer sheet and have faith that at some point he'll have a come to Jesus moment and realize he belongs on the ice.

I'm just getting really sick of seeing other teams handle this tricky situations with so much more patience than the Bruins.

Imagine the Drouin situation happening in Boston. Is there any doubt the Bruins would have made a panic trade for pennies on the dollar ASAP? There's no way they'd have waited that situation out for several months.
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If Tampa doesn't run into those injury problems Drouin is still riding the bus in the AHL. Plus Drouin at least still had a contract, Hamilton didn't.
 
KnightofBoston said:
Huge difference in these two situations: the offer sheet


PC was going to Offer sheet dougie, no question. The threat of an offer sheet wasn't there with Drouin like it was with Dougie...not only that, but simply signing a huge offer sheet for Dougie would have put the bruins in another cap situation down the road...and as we have seen from Dougie this past season and if you were really paying attention to his play the season before...he's not worth 7 million. I think the Bruins were right to cut ties and get the most amount of draft picks they could. I would have prefered Johnny hockey or Monahan in return but it takes two to tango.
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I don't think PC was ever going to offer sheet Dougie because I don't think he would risk losing his first round draft pick this year. That would mean he would have to offer him a contract that's compensation was less than a first since I don't think even with Dougie that Edmonton is any better than 25th-20th in the league. If he offered him a contract that didn't return a first, Sweeney would have matched it easily. Chiarelli would have been fired if he gave up a top 5 pick plus for Hamilton, especially in this draft.

Could you imagine if they had let Chiarelli offer sheet Hamilton and ended up with Edmonton's first, Boston's first and San Jose's in this draft? That would potentially be pick #2, #14 + San Jose's pick.
 
When you put it that way, it's a damn shame we didn't trade with Edmonton! :laugh:

I coulda swore it was all but confirmed PC was prepared to offer sheet him. When the deal with calgary went through, PC went out and dealt for Reinhart.
 
Marchy63 said:
I don't think PC was ever going to offer sheet Dougie because I don't think he would risk losing his first round draft pick this year. That would mean he would have to offer him a contract that's compensation was less than a first since I don't think even with Dougie that Edmonton is any better than 25th-20th in the league. If he offered him a contract that didn't return a first, Sweeney would have matched it easily. Chiarelli would have been fired if he gave up a top 5 pick plus for Hamilton, especially in this draft.

Could you imagine if they had let Chiarelli offer sheet Hamilton and ended up with Edmonton's first, Boston's first and San Jose's in this draft? That would potentially be pick #2, #14 + San Jose's pick.
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Not to mention, the offer sheet compensation would have been more than what they received via trade. (Since of course, the rumor is the Bruins offered the same contract the Flames did...so one would have to assume they would match that no issues and it would have taken getting up into the 2 1sts, 2nd, and 3rd territory for the B's not to match)

But c'est la vie. No do-overs just learning experiences.
 
COLTON ORR RETIRES FROM NHL AFTER 9 SEASONS

http://www.nhlpa.com/news/colton-orr-retires-from-nhl-after-9-seasons







“I feel privileged to have played for a decade in the NHL and to have had the support of four great organizations in Boston, New York, Toronto and Calgary. I am grateful to have had the opportunity to play with great teammates and against great players, many of whom have become great friends. It has been an amazing journey that would not have been anywhere near as fulfilling as it was without the love and support of fans, friends, agents, GMs, coaches and family,†said Colton Orr.
 
BrainOfJ said:
Not to mention, the offer sheet compensation would have been more than what they received via trade. (Since of course, the rumor is the Bruins offered the same contract the Flames did...so one would have to assume they would match that no issues and it would have taken getting up into the 2 1sts, 2nd, and 3rd territory for the B's not to match)

But c'est la vie. No do-overs just learning experiences.
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Unless I am missing something, I believe this is incorrect? The OS compensation last summer for the contract Dougie signed ($5.75m) would have been 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks.

The B's received a 1st and two 2nds.
 
GloryDaze4877 said:
Unless I am missing something, I believe this is incorrect? The OS compensation last summer for the contract Dougie signed ($5.75m) would have been 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks.

The B's received a 1st and two 2nds.
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I think he was talking about the compensation for a hypothetical Chiarelli/Edmonton offer sheet.

Also even though the Bruins got two seconds via the trade you could argue they'd have been better off with an offer sheet from Calgary as the 1st would have been this year so they'd be looking at 5th overall most likely.
 
RussellmaniaKW said:
I think he was talking about the compensation for a hypothetical Chiarelli/Edmonton offer sheet.

Also even though the Bruins got two seconds via the trade you could argue they'd have been better off with an offer sheet from Calgary as the 1st would have been this year so they'd be looking at 5th overall most likely.
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Don't think many predicted Calgary would be so bad this year.

I have no problem with Senyshyn, JFK and Lauzon as the return for Douggie.
 
RussellmaniaKW said:
I think he was talking about the compensation for a hypothetical Chiarelli/Edmonton offer sheet.

Also even though the Bruins got two seconds via the trade you could argue they'd have been better off with an offer sheet from Calgary as the 1st would have been this year so they'd be looking at 5th overall most likely.
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A hypothetical offer sheet form EDM (unless they paid $7.5m or above) still would have been a 1st, 2nd, 3rd. The picks would have been better than Calgary's (roughly 2,32, 62 vs 15,45,52), but because EDM had the potential to be that bad (again), it's exactly why Chia never would have offer-sheeted Dougie.
 
Over the volcano said:
Don't think many predicted Calgary would be so bad this year.

I have no problem with Senyshyn, JFK and Lauzon as the return for Douggie.
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No one did, and there was no reason to think that they would crash and burn as bad as they did. Its funny being a boston fan and seeing the twlight of a great team struggle to not go into the darkness - but a young team like Calgary which should really been solid just couldn't get lit.. unless getting lit up was the way..lol Goaltending was so unreliable. Countless times I watched them at 2-1 or 1-1 and Hiller and Crew would give up just a horrendous goal or two. For a small time (happens to be when boston was in Calgary) they started to look good. Started with the "come back kids" schtick from last year. Sure enough, before they could keep the momentum with a few solid wins, the goalie stinks the joint out again (UI think it was in California or Colorado) Reminded me alot of when we used to roll John Grahame age. Steve Shields, etc etc. Just couldnt get a reliable performance. If DS was seriously trading Rask, I could easily see Calgary willing to part ways with something for him.
 
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GloryDaze4877 said:
Unless I am missing something, I believe this is incorrect? The OS compensation last summer for the contract Dougie signed ($5.75m) would have been 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks.

The B's received a 1st and two 2nds.
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Sorry, just saw this Joe, wasn't ignoring you! I knew I posted this somewhere. I just made the point in another thread as well, so I'll copy that over here. The key is remembering that offer sheet comp is set on a 5 year or less level per the CBA.

BrainOfJ said:
Not necessarily. If the rumor is true that the Bruins offered him the same contract, they would have just matched it. Reports are 6 years, 33 mil and I can't imagine they would let him walk for 250k a year...BUT, if they did then yes the Bruins made out well via trade instead of via OS.

However, Edmonton probably would have had to offer more. Lets say they offer 6.5 a year for 6 years. A mil a year over what the B's were comfortable with...maybe not enough to pry away via OS, but probably makes them think.

6.5 x 6 = 39. 39/5 = 7.8.

Now we're talking two firsts from Edmonton, along with a 2nd and 3rd.

If they talk 7 years at all? Now the comp number is up to 9.1 and any more money at all pushes them into the 4 firsts territory.

All of that considered, not entirely believable that Chiarelli would come in and mortgage such a significant part of the Oilers future for Dougie, as good of a young talent he is. Chiarelli, being on the receiving end of that, knows what it looks like when it doesn't work out...afterall, that's how he GOT Dougie and being personal friends with Burke, I'm sure he was well aware of how it made him look on the otherside as well.

But all of that aside, just from a compensatory standpoint I don't know if it's a sure thing the B's maxed out the value on acquiring Dougie
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Gee Wally said:
COLTON ORR RETIRES FROM NHL AFTER 9 SEASONS

http://www.nhlpa.com/news/colton-orr-retires-from-nhl-after-9-seasons







“I feel privileged to have played for a decade in the NHL and to have had the support of four great organizations in Boston, New York, Toronto and Calgary. I am grateful to have had the opportunity to play with great teammates and against great players, many of whom have become great friends. It has been an amazing journey that would not have been anywhere near as fulfilling as it was without the love and support of fans, friends, agents, GMs, coaches and family,” said Colton Orr.
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Heaviest hands of this generation. Always liked the guy.
 
BrainOfJ said:
Sorry, just saw this Joe, wasn't ignoring you! I knew I posted this somewhere. I just made the point in another thread as well, so I'll copy that over here. The key is remembering that offer sheet comp is set on a 5 year or less level per the CBA.
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Ahhh...

Wasn't aware of the more than 5 year "modifier". I assume that was put in to make teams less likely to OS a guy long term like Philly did with Weber?

In your other post, I think you hit the nail on the head though. How likely was it Chia was going to OS Dougie (who is flawed IMO) and then have to pay that King's Ransom? Would he have made EDM better? Probably, but not THAT much better this year. So, one of those firsts is probably a Top 10. If we were talking about a Doughty or AP, sure, but not for Dougie.
 
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