Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[Fatass]

Miller, Hoglander, Willander

Schneider, Zib (40% retained), 2nd rnd 2025

And JR was “born yesterday”?

 

[Diablo2020]

There hasnt been a player like Pettersson available in a long time (if he is available).

26 YO in his prime guaranteed for the next 8 years. If he was playing at his top shape, he obviously wouldnt be available.

I think the most recent comparison is Jack Eichel, but even Eichel wasnt on Peteys level when he was traded. Also Eichel had major injury concerns with his spine.

BUF received

Tuch
Krebs
1st
2nd

If Petey were to be traded, i could see a similar package except a bit more.

Young top 6 player (preferably center or D)
Top prospect (at the time of the trade Krebs was Vegas's top prospect)
Mid 1st
2nd

Its either that, or a top player in a 1 for 1 trade.


At the end of the day, we are talking about a career PPG player with 400+ GP. Hes gonna command a lot.

I posted earlier and stopped after 9 out of 10 teams because my point was made imo, but to complete the whole picture..

There is 25 teams where if you airdrop Pettersson into their top line with their best LW and best RW, Petey is a guarantee to get 100 points on paper.

ANA Vatrano and Terry
BOS Marchand and Pasta
BUF Peterka and Tuch
CGY Huberdeau and Kuzmenko (haha petey)
CAR Svechnikov and Jarvis
CHI Mikhayev and Bedard (haha petey)
*Colorado (skipped dont need petey)
CBJ Voronkov and Marchenko
DAL Robertson and Johnston
DET Debrincat and Raymond
*Edmonton (skipped no way)
FLO Verhaeghe and Tkachuk
LAK Fiala and Kempe
MIN Boldy and Zuccarello
MON Slafkovsky and Caufield
NAS Forsberg and Marchessault
NJD Meier and Bratt
NYI Lee and Barzal
NYR Panarin and Lafrenierre
OTT Tkachuk and Batherson
PHI Michkov and Konecny
PIT Rakell and Rust
SJS Eklund and Toffoli
*Seattle (NO)
STL Buchnevich and Kyrou
*Tampa Bay (skip cant afford)
*Toronto (skip cant afford)
UTA Keller and Schmaltz
*Vegas (NO)
WAS Ovechkin and Mangiapane
WIN Connor and Ehlers

NHL GMs would be stepping over each other outside Allvin's doorstep to get the first word in IF Vancouver auctioned off Pettersson.

 

[Nucker42]

Miller, Hoglander, Willander

Schneider, Zib (40% retained), 2nd rnd 2025

Sure and then after let’s fly to space and drink slurpees….

 

[AintLifeGrand]

To Nash: Pettersson

To Vancouver: Colton Sissons, TBL 2024 1st, VGK 2024 1st, Tommy novak, Luke Evangelista, Matthew Wood

 

[Peter Griffin]

To Nash: Pettersson

To Vancouver: Colton Sissons, TBL 2024 1st, VGK 2024 1st, Tommy novak, Luke Evangelista, Matthew Wood

Nashville is better off trying to make an offer for Miller.

 

[Coffee]

Nashville is better off trying to make an offer for Miller.

Or Brock Nelson

 

[kvladimir]

Demko's injury history doesn't change the fact that the teams best chance at winning is with him in net on his current deal. When his deal ends we'll likely be in a lot of trouble. Doesn't negate his unreliability but Lankinen while he's played admirably isn't taking this team anywhere in the playoffs. There is a reason he is a career backup.

The McTavish ++ deal certainly piques my interest where basically every other Petey proposal hasn't. Mctavish kinda projects as a 2c though so youre trading a young 1c for a 2c sure you get the cap space but there aren't any truly obv UFAs to target. McTavish + Mintyukov is one of the few proposals where I would actually give it some thought. Trading Petey for two young players with the potential to pop isn't the worst idea though. Of course it would mean mailing in this season which is difficult to accept for any ownership let alone the Aquillini's.

The idea of an EP deal around McTavish + young D is certainly intriguing, if ANA is willing to go for that. They also have an immense amount of cap space, while McTavish and their young D are on ELCs (the former's expires this year, but he should be cheap to retain on a bridge deal).

That cap space VAN would get through this deal wouldn't have to be used on UFAs, it could be used to drastically lessen the acquisition cost on a contributing piece from a team that is tight to the cap. Of course, the cap is going up, so fewer teams will be facing these problems, but there is a decent chance VAN could leverage something good with that space. Say, a W. Karlsson, Cirelli, Siegenthaler, Whitecloud type, for very minimal cost.

Maybe something like EP for McTavish, Mintyukov, '27 2nd (they have 2) or top-10 protected 2026 1st, then in the offseason, something like 2nd + Aman for W. Karlsson?

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

The idea of an EP deal around McTavish + young D is certainly intriguing, if ANA is willing to go for that. They also have an immense amount of cap space, while McTavish and their young D are on ELCs (the former's expires this year, but he should be cheap to retain on a bridge deal).

That cap space VAN would get through this deal wouldn't have to be used on UFAs, it could be used to drastically lessen the acquisition cost on a contributing piece from a team that is tight to the cap. Of course, the cap is going up, so fewer teams will be facing these problems, but there is a decent chance VAN could leverage something good with that space. Say, a W. Karlsson, Cirelli, Siegenthaler, Whitecloud type, for very minimal cost.

Maybe something like EP for McTavish, Mintyukov, '27 2nd (they have 2) or top-10 protected 2026 1st, then in the offseason, something like 2nd + Aman for W. Karlsson?

Out of curiosity, what happened to Zegras? Kid looked like he would become a ppg after his first 2 full seasons.

 

[Johnsie19]

And in our case id hope we'd get actual value back not Sturm, Primeau and Stuart

So an actual haul for Petey, then sign one of those two top UFAs yes.

Your math is correct and I dont mind it one bit. 17.5 for three roster players in return for one at 11.6.

So for 6 million of our own capspace we swap Petey for Rantanen or Marner and fill two other important roster spots with TOP young talent.

Yeah I like that approach.

It's certainly an option if we wanna overhaul. It is funny though that fans hate Petey and complain about him and then want to go big on Marner. Marner at 13-14 mil for 7 yrs is gonna be tough to swallow for long stretches.

But ya that Anaheim idea is one of the only proposals ive seen that has any legs in my mind.

 

[kvladimir]

Out of curiosity, what happened to Zegras? Kid looked like he would become a ppg after his first 2 full seasons.

Now that you mention it, he's one of the very few players in the NHL who is sort of in a similar spot as EP - just in terms of obvious signs of talent and good past performances, but currently, strangely struggling in ways that don't line up with typical development curves. Both have had injury struggles, too (Zegras to a much greater extent).

Not saying I would want Zegras as the main piece if EP gets traded, but interesting to think about...

 

[Coffee]

@Diablo2020 so you have gave up on Pettersson?

 

[Johnsie19]

The idea of an EP deal around McTavish + young D is certainly intriguing, if ANA is willing to go for that. They also have an immense amount of cap space, while McTavish and their young D are on ELCs (the former's expires this year, but he should be cheap to retain on a bridge deal).

That cap space VAN would get through this deal wouldn't have to be used on UFAs, it could be used to drastically lessen the acquisition cost on a contributing piece from a team that is tight to the cap. Of course, the cap is going up, so fewer teams will be facing these problems, but there is a decent chance VAN could leverage something good with that space. Say, a W. Karlsson, Cirelli, Siegenthaler, Whitecloud type, for very minimal cost.

Maybe something like EP for McTavish, Mintyukov, '27 2nd (they have 2) or top-10 protected 2026 1st, then in the offseason, something like 2nd + Aman for W. Karlsson?

Yup. I don't think there would be much of an add if it were McTavish and Mintyukov, maybe a 2nd. I couldn't see it being a first. And might not really be anything more, not sure. I have heard positive response from Anaheim fans with regards to it though.

And you're right you could look to capitalize on a team that needs to shed salary the way Utah picked up Sergachev.

 

[TheNumber4]

There hasnt been a player like Pettersson available in a long time (if he is available).

26 YO in his prime guaranteed for the next 8 years. If he was playing at his top shape, he obviously wouldnt be available.

I think the most recent comparison is Jack Eichel, but even Eichel wasnt on Peteys level when he was traded. Also Eichel had major injury concerns with his spine.

BUF received

Tuch
Krebs
1st
2nd

If Petey were to be traded, i could see a similar package except a bit more.

Young top 6 player (preferably center or D)
Top prospect (at the time of the trade Krebs was Vegas's top prospect)
Mid 1st
2nd

Its either that, or a top player in a 1 for 1 trade.


At the end of the day, we are talking about a career PPG player with 400+ GP. Hes gonna command a lot.

No way.

Eichel > Pettersson.

Was back then, still is. Likely seen the same way by scouts and NHL management teams.

Playing on a brutal team like the Sabres is a lot different than playing on a playoff team featuring Hughes as the teams production driving QB, which would explain the production differences.

That said, Eichel’s return was depressed due to a clown show situation in Buffalo with his neck injury and all the question marks surrounding it. So if EP40’s return is similar it would be explained by that. Not EP40 being better than Eichel.

 

[Diablo2020]

@Diablo2020 so you have gave up on Pettersson?

Ive been on the trade Petey and trade Miller train for years so this thread is my gloryday.

I get Barry Pederson vibes.

So many times ive seen "Trading Petey is Cam Neely 2.0" when in reality Pettersson is Pederson. Look at the hockey db.

Barrys back problems are Peteys wrist knee and mental block issues.

I want my own Neely and Glen Wesley.

Ducks are ripe for the picking
Slugs are ripe for the picking
Rags are ripe for the picking
Isles are ripe for the picking

Every team is ripe for the picking.

All this drama couldnt be happening at a better time with t-minus 6 months to NMC.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Ive been on the trade Petey and trade Miller train for years so this thread is my gloryday.

I get Barry Pederson vibes.

So many times ive seen "Trading Petey is Cam Neely 2.0" when in reality Pettersson is Pederson. Look at the hockey db.

Barrys back problems are Peteys wrist knee and mental block issues.

I want my own Neely and Glen Wesley.

Ducks are ripe for the picking
Slugs are ripe for the picking
Rags are ripe for the picking
Isles are ripe for the picking

Every team is ripe for the picking.

All this drama couldnt be happening at a better time with t-minus 6 months to NMC.

Sabres too. I’ll give ya Power and picks for Miller

 

[Diablo2020]

Sabres too. I’ll give ya Power and picks for Miller

Sorry but you are indeed the "Slugs that are ripe for the picking" as I already said HA

And that just goes to show if youd give Power for Miller let alone add anything.

Every nuck fan would drive Miller to Buffalo themselves for Owen Power bro.

Ripe for the picking you are indeeeeeeed.

 

[bucks_oil]

Sabres too. I’ll give ya Power and picks for Miller

As an Oilers fan… don’t do that

 

[Stoneman89]

what is it with the canucks committing to long and big tickets and then trading them off / running them out of town? (luongo). Seems like if you're offering someone an 8 year deal you're choosing to go forward with them regardless. How did they even allow themselves to get to this position?

if i'm choosing between the two i'm easily taking EP40 but i think fans are overrating the asset as he's having a bad year and was a shrinking violet in his last playoff series.

Maybe you should be a GM.

 

[Johnsie19]

No way.

Eichel > Pettersson.

Was back then, still is. Likely seen the same way by scouts and NHL management teams.

Playing on a brutal team like the Sabres is a lot different than playing on a playoff team featuring Hughes as the teams production driving QB, which would explain the production differences.

That said, Eichel’s return was depressed due to a clown show situation in Buffalo with his neck injury and all the question marks surrounding it. So if EP40’s return is similar it would be explained by that. Not EP40 being better than Eichel.

Eichel was always right around a ppg when he was traded. He def had the upside we see now but Petey has had 100 point season. And doesn't have the whole neck issue.

Eichel played with Reinhart and Dahlin in his best seasons in Buffalo. Peteys best season he was 26 points ahead of Hughes. It wasn't quite as pronounced how much the team ran through Hughes then as it is now.

Ive been on the trade Petey and trade Miller train for years so this thread is my gloryday.

I get Barry Pederson vibes.

So many times ive seen "Trading Petey is Cam Neely 2.0" when in reality Pettersson is Pederson. Look at the hockey db.

Barrys back problems are Peteys wrist knee and mental block issues.

I want my own Neely and Glen Wesley.

Ducks are ripe for the picking
Slugs are ripe for the picking
Rags are ripe for the picking
Isles are ripe for the picking

Every team is ripe for the picking.

All this drama couldnt be happening at a better time with t-minus 6 months to NMC.

Miller is definitely Barry Pederson here. The vet with a strong history of production but on the wrong side of 30. The trick is can we land a Cam Neely for Miller.

 

[TheNumber4]

Sabres too. I’ll give ya Power and picks for Miller

Oof. I would highly advise against that.

 

[NextGoalIsHuge]

Ive been on the trade Petey and trade Miller train for years so this thread is my gloryday.

I get Barry Pederson vibes.

So many times ive seen "Trading Petey is Cam Neely 2.0" when in reality Pettersson is Pederson. Look at the hockey db.

Barrys back problems are Peteys wrist knee and mental block issues.

I want my own Neely and Glen Wesley.

Ducks are ripe for the picking
Slugs are ripe for the picking
Rags are ripe for the picking
Isles are ripe for the picking

Every team is ripe for the picking.

All this drama couldnt be happening at a better time with t-minus 6 months to NMC.

While I haven't been on board with trading either:

"I get Barry Pederson vibes." Hits harder than I would have liked.

 

[Diablo2020]

Eichel was always right around a ppg when he was traded. He def had the upside we see now but Petey has had 100 point season. And doesn't have the whole neck issue.

Eichel played with Reinhart and Dahlin in his best seasons in Buffalo. Peteys best season he was 26 points ahead of Hughes. It wasn't quite as pronounced how much the team ran through Hughes then as it is now.


Miller is definitely Barry Pederson here. The vet with a strong history of production but on the wrong side of 30. The trick is can we land a Cam Neely for Miller.

No Barry Pederson was 25 years old with 116 and 107 point seasons under his belt, but about to break down due to injuries (mostly his back).

Elias, also with a 100 point season under his belt, is also 25 and possibly about to break down, albeit some of it being mentally.

Miller is more Alex Mogilny for us. Wring side of 30 but still close enough to a 100 point season where we get some value.

Mogilny turned into Brendan Morrison and another Pederson.. Dennis Pederson.

 

[TheNumber4]

Eichel was always right around a ppg when he was traded. He def had the upside we see now but Petey has had 100 point season. And doesn't have the whole neck issue.

Eichel played with Reinhart and Dahlin in his best seasons in Buffalo. Peteys best season he was 26 points ahead of Hughes. It wasn't quite as pronounced how much the team ran through Hughes then as it is now.


Miller is definitely Barry Pederson here. The vet with a strong history of production but on the wrong side of 30. The trick is can we land a Cam Neely for Miller.

Yes I’m very aware of Peteys flash-in-the-pan 100 pt season. But I don’t think that’s the player he is, things went very right that contract season, it’s an outlier season.

Whereas I think and have always thought Eichel has always been the more complete centerman that could be a perennial 90-100 pt centerman. It’s just that nothing ever went right in Buffalo for that to happen. Now that he’s on the fully integrated on knights as the go-to guy, that is proving out. He should hit over 100 pts this season if he stays healthy for the full 82. And it’s likely that continues on during his prime years. Injuries may have stopped him from already doing it last year.

 

[lawrence]

Canucks fans it was just media stirring sh** up?

well no.... because Jim Rutherford openly said that some of the medias in Vancouver need to back to making trade rumours instead of making up locker room stories. Jim Rutherford, well I guess hes a Canuck fan. lol.

 

[toddkaz]

Sabres too. I’ll give ya Power and picks for Miller

If Power is getting traded its straight up for Pettersson. Miller is 5 years older and has a no movement clause.