Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[Diablo2020]

Petts isnt a surefire bet for 100 points. In fact that hes more likely to not hit a PPG pace. Hes had 1 elite season and 1 other at PPG. Thats a risk, especially when his GM and captain have confirmed theres issues.

31 NHL teams are looking at him going "we can fix him".

He has two elite seasons before the age of 25.

He hasnt played with Boeser other than on the PP in the last THREE years.

Every team in the league can look at adding Petey between their best two current wingers and envision multiple 100 point seasons in his future.

Its the cost and salary that will scare off a few teams, not the play of Pettersson today.

 

[Melkor]

So you just randomly fight people who you perceived to have wronged you on a regular basis?

What if they don't stop after that? Feuds don't really end just because you confront the other party. Like this is a bizarre solution you're talking about.

It's not random, I am not sure you've read my post. You're in the same space with this people on a daily basis and it's a daily struggle with a certain person. It's a very specific situation. There was no feud in my life that didn't end after the real confrontation and there have been a whole lot of them. Just make sure you don't hold back when you confront a person about it. The tension diffuses after that.

Even if they still don't like you after that, they won't dare to insult or press you the same way they've been doing it before.

 

[kvladimir]

Dude these are absurdly bad. They make no sense. Why would the Canucks trade Petey for two picks and a limited 4/5 dman? And then trade our first to get Granlund. You are putting a lot of effort into writing these out so I don't want to come across too harsh but these are insultingly bad. You trade Petey for like Barzal, Larkin, Suzuki type of base, and then they add a first and you still probably cant win that trade. Lets alone for some nothing dman.

Agree to disagree, I suppose. I can't imagine NYI wanting EP, but offering Barzal for him. Same with Larkin, Suzuki, etc... If you're DET, it would only make sense to acquire EP to end up with him + Larkin. If WPG acquires him, it would be to have Schiefele + EP at C. If CAR did, it would be to have Aho + EP. As I have said, I don't actually think it's a good idea to trade him unless they really do have to get one of EP or Miller off the team. Don't forget, it is 100% VAN being pressured into making a deal to resolve this situation, if it really is that bad, so they don't have the advantage. I'm only proposing EP deals because I expect any Miller return to be very underwhelming relative to his raw value on the ice (age + contract + full NTC).

All I'm suggesting is that these barriers with a hypothetical EP trade could be overcome, simply because VAN is not obligated to keep what they get in return for EP if it's not a fit with staying competitive in a 3-6 year window, as they were shaping up to be when all this nonsense started.

And again, you seem like you're not looking at those trades in totality. DET's 1st will likely be in the 6-11 range, even if they add EP, which is extremely valuable (whether VAN makes the pick or not). The "1st for Granlund" deal includes clearing Desharnais as well, which is worth a fair bit (again, not saying it's 100% fair, just spitballing, really). The Romanov deal involves (for example) keeping the WPG 1st and Perfetti along with him, etc etc...

 

[Melkor]

are you being intentionally ironic and satirizing yourself?

I am done with you lol.

 

[Three On Zero]

31 NHL teams are looking at him going "we can fix him".

He has two elite seasons before the age of 25.

He hasnt played with Boeser other than on the PP in the last THREE years.

Every team in the league can look at adding Petey between their best two current wingers and envision multiple 100 point seasons in his future.

Its the cost and salary that will scare off a few teams, not the play of Pettersson today.

Pettersson’s most common wingers this season have been DeBrusk and Sherwood, not exactly stellar top 6 wingers to get

 

[Archie Lee]

Well I disagree Thompson >> Cozens even if Tage plays wing he will still be better than Cozens. You can also have a first line winger in Thompson. We need to trade one of Power and Byram and get two top 4 RDs to properly build our defense.

Fair enough. But the offer wasn’t Thompson and Quinn or Cozens and Quinn. If you swap Cozens in for Thompson then you will need to give something more than Quinn.

 

[Diablo2020]

Pettersson’s most common wingers this season have been DeBrusk and Sherwood, not exactly stellar top 6 wingers to get

Exactly, for all the fans worried about Pettersson's attitude or other concerns, there is a GM for every team licking their chops at the thought of airdopping Petey in to play with..

Vatrano and Terry
Marchand and Pasta
Peterka and Tuch
Huberdeau and Kuzmenko (haha petey)
Svechnikov and Jarvis
Mikhayev and Bedard (haha petey)
Voronkov and Marchenko
Robertson and Johnston
Debrincat and Raymond

The list goes on and on.

Is he not a 100 point center on those teams playing with those players?

The fear from other fans is only about the cost. If they got him tomorrow theyd all be thinking about the 100 points hes guaranteed to get between their two wingers.

 

[toddkaz]

31 NHL teams are looking at him going "we can fix him".

He has two elite seasons before the age of 25.

He hasnt played with Boeser other than on the PP in the last THREE years.

Every team in the league can look at adding Petey between their best two current wingers and envision multiple 100 point seasons in his future.

Its the cost and salary that will scare off a few teams, not the play of Pettersson today.

Fix him? Is he broken? Did JT Miller break him?

 

[Three On Zero]

Exactly, for all the fans worried about Pettersson's attitude or other concerns, there is a GM for every team licking their chops at the thought of airdopping Petey in to play with..

Vatrano and Terry
Marchand and Pasta
Peterka and Tuch
Huberdeau and Kuzmenko (haha petey)
Svechnikov and Jarvis
Mikhayev and Bedard (haha petey)
Voronkov and Marchenko
Robertson and Johnston
Debrincat and Raymond

The list goes on and on.

Is he not a 100 point center on those teams playing with those players?

The fear from other fans is only about the cost. If they got him tomorrow theyd all be thinking about the 100 points hes guaranteed to get between their two wingers.

It’s not a coincidence or some tinfoil theory he does better when Miller is out, it’s because he gets better f***ing linemates

Does he need to adapt and play better? Absolutely. But they also need to build a team that works with him.

 

[Diablo2020]

Fix him? Is he broken?

Well a 25 yr old calder winner fresh off signing a 8 year deal is heavily rumored to be traded after the owner gave him 12,500,000 dollars like 7 months ago...

So yeah something is. Maybe not physically, maybe not completely mentally, but something is for sure.

 

[Fatass]

Exactly, for all the fans worried about Pettersson's attitude or other concerns, there is a GM for every team licking their chops at the thought of airdopping Petey in to play with..

Vatrano and Terry
Marchand and Pasta
Peterka and Tuch
Huberdeau and Kuzmenko (haha petey)
Svechnikov and Jarvis
Mikhayev and Bedard (haha petey)
Voronkov and Marchenko
Robertson and Johnston
Debrincat and Raymond

The list goes on and on.

Is he not a 100 point center on those teams playing with those players?

The fear from other fans is only about the cost. If they got him tomorrow theyd all be thinking about the 100 points hes guaranteed to get between their two wingers.

What’s special about Petterson’s 100 points is it comes while he’s extremely responsible defensively. Yes, he’s got a lot of of elite offensive skills, but (a lot like Marner) he’s extremely good defensively. These types of players, especially at centre, are rare and very valuable. Canucks would (imo) be stupid to trade a guy like this, especially when he’s only 26 and controlled for 7 more seasons. Highly unlikely a club finds another guy like this.

 

[toddkaz]

Well a 25 yr old calder winner fresh off signing a 8 year deal is heavily rumored to be traded after the owner gave him 12,500,000 dollars like 7 months ago...

So yeah something is. Maybe not physically, maybe not completely mentally, but something is for sure.

I don't get the correlation between his contract and his mindset. Also isn't he 26?

Also JT Miller has 6 goals so is he broken too?

Exactly, for all the fans worried about Pettersson's attitude or other concerns, there is a GM for every team licking their chops at the thought of airdopping Petey in to play with..

Vatrano and Terry
Marchand and Pasta
Peterka and Tuch
Huberdeau and Kuzmenko (haha petey)
Svechnikov and Jarvis
Mikhayev and Bedard (haha petey)
Voronkov and Marchenko
Robertson and Johnston
Debrincat and Raymond

The list goes on and on.

Is he not a 100 point center on those teams playing with those players?

The fear from other fans is only about the cost. If they got him tomorrow theyd all be thinking about the 100 points hes guaranteed to get between their two wingers.

I don't think the fans are worried at all. It seems to be the Canucks that are creating this not the fans.

 

[Three On Zero]

Well a 25 yr old calder winner fresh off signing a 8 year deal is heavily rumored to be traded after the owner gave him 12,500,000 dollars like 7 months ago...

So yeah something is. Maybe not physically, maybe not completely mentally, but something is for sure.

He’s been injured since the post season, so physically is part of it.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I'm going to predict this results in both Miller and Pettersson getting traded similar to Luongo/Schneider. Because this decision cannot be simply made. You're either getting rid of your number one centre or leader and energy on the ice. But when I think about it there's no good option amongst trading the two.

But if one gets traded I think it'll be Miller. I think that's the better option because it'll mean Vancouver won't have a centreman.

NYR: JT Miller
Vancouver: Alexis Lafreniere, 1st 2025 and Reilly Smith.

Or the best option being putting Miller and Pettersson on their own separate line and grab a solid 2C for the Canucks. Put Debrusk on Pettersson and Boeser's line.

 

[Diablo2020]

I don't get the correlation between his contract and his mindset.

Also JT Miller has 6 goals so is he broken too?


I don't think the fans are worried at all. It seems to be the Canucks that are creating this not the fans.

Its considered a slap in the face to trade a player you JUST signed longterm.

Its unfathomable a owner would pay a guy 12,500,000 then allow him to be traded to a different team that same season.

Yet here we are. It might be for everyone best intrest.

As a fan, im very worried we never see the Petey of his calder year ever again yes.

The wrist is a huge issue.

Now the knee is possibly a huge issue.

His mental game is always been a issue.

I dont even knee whats he injured right now with, could be a third serious thing.

Thats broken to me, yeah. Add on top the fact he makes 11.6 mill on the cap and theres alot not to feel warm and fuzzy about around here

 

[Fatass]

All the drama with Pettersson and Miller. No Hughes, No Hronek (top pain the league last season) and Demko out most of the year. How in the heck is this club in a playoff spot?

 

[Fjordy]

Fair enough. But the offer wasn’t Thompson and Quinn or Cozens and Quinn. If you swap Cozens in for Thompson then you will need to give something more than Quinn.

Yes, I know and I am willing to do it. For me, the difference between Thompson and Cozens is quite big at this point.

 

[Three On Zero]

All the drama with Pettersson and Miller. No Hughes, No Hronek (top pain the league last season) and Demko out most of the year. How in the heck is this club in a playoff spot?

Because they had some points banked, they’ve been steadily dropping since losing the key pieces

 

[Diablo2020]

All the drama with Pettersson and Miller. No Hughes, No Hronek (top pain the league last season) and Demko out most of the year. How in the heck is this club in a playoff spot?

Because every single thing other than aquiring top 6 defenseman has been a slam dunk with this management.

Thats why i have faith in them handing a Miller or Petey trade or both.

Debrusk
Boeser
Sherwood
Blueger
Joshua
Suter
Heinen
Garland
Lankinen

Every role player has outperformed their deals over the last couple years.

 

[Fatass]

Because they had some points banked, they’ve been steadily dropping since losing the key pieces

Have they though? Weren’t the Flames in the spot the Canucks passed recently? Must be coaching or something? Really, it’s crazy how a club with the Norris trophy winner and his partner out and the Vezina finalist out, and the whole Pettersson/Miller drama is in the playoffs.
How come? Management? Other players stepping up? Makes no sense really. What other club could survive such losses to their core?

 

[Fatass]

Because every single thing other than aquiring top 6 defenseman has been a slam dunk with this management.

Thats why i have faith in them handing a Miller or Petey trade or both.

Debrusk
Boeser
Sherwood
Blueger
Joshua
Suter
Heinen
Garland
Lankinen

Every role player has outperformed their deals over the last couple years.

The ABS were good, not great, and moved on from Duchene. The took a step back but became great because of what they did. Their management was smart because they were patient. Is that the same in Vancouver? Is Miller/Pettersson their Duchene? A step back to make a big leap forward?

 

[Three On Zero]

Have they though? Weren’t the Flames in the spot the Canucks passed recently? Must be coaching or something? Really, it’s crazy how a club with the Norris trophy winner and his partner out and the Vezina finalist out, and the whole Pettersson/Miller drama is in the playoffs.
How come? Management? Other players stepping up? Makes no sense really. What other club could survive such losses to their core?

3-4-3 in the last 10, some of those OT games they gave up multi goal leads due to the current roster

 

[Sigurd]

Carolina fan here.

We made a push last year for EP, and we're rumored to be interested again. Sure would be nice if things worked out this time around.

Having Aho and EP as our top 2 centermen still sounds amazing.

 

[Diablo2020]

The ABS were good, not great, and moved on from Duchene. The took a step back but became great because of what they did. Their management was smart because they were patient. Is that the same in Vancouver? Is Miller/Pettersson their Duchene? A step back to make a big leap forward?

Every person can relate this scenario to many comparables none of which are exactly spot on but theres a bunch ya.

Maybe this is our Matt Duchene scenario.

Maybe we're trading Matthew Tkachuk.

Every fan will have a different opinion.

I brought up Barry Pederson yesterday. 39 years later the Bruins still have Frederic and Peeke playing today from a trade 39 years ago. Cam Neely, Kyle McLaren (Iggy two picks later), Milan Lucic and still Frederic.

The leagues most elite PF, for every decade, for the last 40 years (ok maybe not frederic) if they made one other choice along the way.

I also referenced Bure. Who ushered in the westcoast express era for Vancouver and gave us Jovo even though we "lost" the og trade.

This could also be Jack Eichel 2.0, as others have said.

I personally have always been on the trade Petey train so this is just my heyday lately.

 

[toddkaz]

Its considered a slap in the face to trade a player you JUST signed longterm.

Its unfathomable a owner would pay a guy 12,500,000 then allow him to be traded to a different team that same season.

Yet here we are. It might be for everyone best intrest.

As a fan, im very worried we never see the Petey of his calder year ever again yes.

The wrist is a huge issue.

Now the knee is possibly a huge issue.

His mental game is always been a issue.

I dont even knee whats he injured right now with, could be a third serious thing.

Thats broken to me, yeah. Add on top the fact he makes 11.6 mill on the cap and theres alot not to feel warm and fuzzy about around here

I do think Canuck fans are overvaluing Pettersson when it comes to his trade value because of his contract. He is due 10 million in bonus July 1st when his NMC kicks in. If the Canucks don't want to pay it then its gonna put a dent in his value.

That being said I don't think Pettersson gets traded because JT Miller is too old. To trade a 26 year old and then to rely on a 31 year old to lead the team is very risky