Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[NeoCanuck]

To be clear, Horvat and Miller don't get along. My isles do not need to be saddled with another wrong side of 30 yr old player. He's going to be 32 this year with 6 more years at 8M.

3 years ago, Isles had a deal in place for to trade the 13th overall pick for him but we pivoted to Romanov. Lou backed out because it was leaked to the press.

3 years later, I'm not giving up my 24 yr old Top LD, 1st rounders and younsters and whatever you think you want for him. That ship has sailed.

We are not a win now team, so what the hell would we do this? We are in a rebuilding stage. We are going to trade off Brock Nelson and Parms at the deadline. If we can move Lee, Pageau and Cizikas, we will too.

You're the one who offered and asked the question in this thread.

You don't want to give up prime assets for a win now winger.
We don't want to obtain those specific assets from the Islanders organization, where we can be more selective elsewhere.

Best of luck on the rebuild.

 

[Johnsie19]

I said more or less this already in one of the closed threads, but I will repeat: As a VAN fan, I hope they just figure it out and stay together. This VAN team will hopefully get healthy and play well down the stretch - they have excellent secondary scoring, so if their stars come back and come alive, they are a serious threat, even as a lower seed in the playoffs (no doubt in my mind they get there, considering where they are in the standings thus far).

But if there IS an issue between Miller and EP that cannot be resolved with them both staying, the main things to think about are:

1) VAN is in a competitive window, mostly thanks to Hughes and Demko's cap-efficient contracts, and even Miller's to an extent, if he is performing at his best, and with the cap going up

2) Miller has a NTC, which will kill his value - think something like Mittlestadt + 2nd or something, that's about all VAN could hope to get, imho

3) A futures return is largely unappealing - you would be banking on VAN's window being extended, and being most competitive after Hughes exits his prime, which is very risky. A return that extends their window, by acquiring players similar in age or slightly younger than Hughes but not years away would make the most sense.

So, to me, if a move is to happen, it would have to be something like this:

EP to CAR; Necas + Kotkaniemi + Morrow to VAN

This should appeal to CAR, as though they are sacrificing an excellent contributor, they are also adding what will likely be a premier prime-aged C to complement Aho and their still-strong winger depth, and sending back an inefficient (though not crippling) contract, while VAN gets a win-now piece back, a decent reclamation potential (that can be bought out for an 850k cap hit two seasons beyond this one), and a near-NHL ready player at a position of need.

It's possible EP could be dealt elsewhere, but the fit isn't very good (no teams I can think of who would give up a prime-age top 6 C for EP that wouldn't be a huge downgrade in the near future, it would have to be a Kotkaniemi, Mittlestadt or Cozens-type, and that isn't all that appealing to VAN without a Necas/Tuch/Lehkonen type +

If Petey is being traded I think there are many teams that would offer a top 6 c it just might have to be part of a bigger deal

Barzal
McTavish
Byfield
Hintz
Ek
Suzuki
Larkin
Tage

I think basically everyone of these would have to add but would represent a reasonable base to start trade negotiations.

 

[Rowlet]

If the Islanders are offering Dobson +, isn’t that better than only Power?

Depends if Dobson is expecting 10m this off season while Power is signed for 8~ until 2028, when the Canucks get a lot of money off the books.

 

[kvladimir]

Another possibility would be for VAN to deal EP and make one or more follow-up trades to get what they want. Consider this scenario:

To DET: EP
To VAN: Compher, Wallinder (naturally), 2025 lotto-protected 1st

This would make sense for DET in that they need the star prime-age C to make progress in busting out of their rebuild, and the main piece they give up is a very high 1st round pick.

VAN meanwhile gets 6.5M cap space, a versatile RHC, a near NHL-ready Dman, and the 1st would let them make a follow-up trade using this pick or their own (in which they can leverage that 6.5M cap space), depending on whether it is more valuable to them to get the immediate upgrade that trading DET's pick would offer, or a decent addition (maybe a pending UFA they can extend?) and a window-extending top 10 pick this year (still less appealing, imho, considering the age gap between this eventual player and Hughes).

Even if they are being forced to make a move, it's something like this or the above deal that I would expect. As unappealing as moving EP is, there is simly no way I can see dealing Miller instead not seriously taking away from this Hughes-era competitive window...

 

[Archie Lee]

EP for Tage Thompson and Quinn.

Done. No take backs,

 

[Glorydays22]

You're the one who offered and asked the question in this thread.

You don't want to give up prime assets for a win now winger.
We don't want to obtain those specific assets from the Islanders organization, where we can be more selective elsewhere.

Best of luck on the rebuild.

Wrong...I never offered any proposals here for JT or Petey...

Thanks, I too look forward to rebuild. Should be fun, want to see youngster play and develop.

 

[Fjordy]

Done. No take backs,

But why? Seems pointless to me.

 

[Fatass]

Are the Isles offering Dobson? Let alone Dobson +? I'm not an Islanders fan, but I have a hard time seeing them moving their best defenseman with very little on their active roster or in their pipeline to help backfill that move.

All we do here is speculate. So if we speculate the Sabres are offering Power then why not speculate the U it skk ok anders are offering Dobson +? It’s all the same made up stuff, no?

 

[is the answer jesus]

Power for Pettersson is a good value on a 1v1 I'd agree. If you want to trade cozens for a top 6 c it'd have to be for Miller.

Yeah it's been tossed around a bit in the Sabres forum and I think value wise it's close.
I'd entertain something around Cozens + for Miller if he'd waive to come to Buffalo, but I have a hard time seeing that happen.

 

[Johnsie19]

If the Islanders are offering Dobson +, isn’t that better than only Power?

Thats a good question actually. I think Dobson and Power have similar value. Though Power is locked in long term at a rate that'll be a lot less than what Dobson is gonna get so that's prob the deciding factor.

 

[Fatass]

If Petey is being traded I think there are many teams that would offer a top 6 c it just might have to be part of a bigger deal

Barzal
McTavish
Byfield
Hintz
Ek
Suzuki
Larkin
Tage

I think basically everyone of these would have to add but would represent a reasonable base to start trade negotiations.

Can’t see the Habs moving Suzuki.

 

[kvladimir]

If Petey is being traded I think there are many teams that would offer a top 6 c it just might have to be part of a bigger deal

Barzal
McTavish
Byfield
Hintz
Ek
Suzuki
Larkin
Tage

I think basically everyone of these would have to add but would represent a reasonable base to start trade negotiations.

A reasonable question, but to me, NYI, DAL, MIN, DET and BUF would not want to trade their young top 6 Cs for EP because the likely upgrade at C alone wouldn't really be worth it, and it is a risk with how EP has been performing of late.

Meanwhile, I don't think ANA would really want to speed up their rebuild like this - they might be better off just being patient and leveraging cap space once the opportunity to be competitive starts to arise. Either that, or they would not be willing to offer enough of a + to make it appealing to VAN, who would be downgrading during their competitive window, waiting for a McTavish or Zegras to turn into a solid top 6 C

 

[Hockeyfan200]

If Petey is being traded I think there are many teams that would offer a top 6 c it just might have to be part of a bigger deal

Barzal
McTavish
Byfield
Hintz
Ek
Suzuki
Larkin
Tage

I think basically everyone of these would have to add but would represent a reasonable base to start trade negotiations.

lol wild would never trade ek, my gosh. He wouldn’t waive either! Get real with this. He also has no trade clause! Eriksson ek isn’t available everything to wild and bill Guerin!

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Which is fine.

TBH, the basis of any deal is a young C with Top 6 upside and a young Top 4 dman.

Anything else to make the deal work is negotiable.

Then maybe something like that would work…. I wouldn’t love dealing Mintyukov(especially with mctavish) but we have so many left handed dmen, idk if it matters much

Lacombe is looking like a stud, solberg is gunna be a fun player…. Zellweger is already really good. Doesn’t include guys like dioncicio, smith, hinds, moore etc.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

A reasonable question, but to me, NYI, DAL, MIN, DET and BUF would not want to trade their young top 6 Cs for EP because the likely upgrade at C alone wouldn't really be worth it, and it is a risk with how EP has been performing of late.

Meanwhile, I don't think ANA would really want to speed up their rebuild like this - they might be better off just being patient and leveraging cap space once the opportunity to be competitive starts to arise. Either that, or they would not be willing to offer enough of a + to make it appealing to VAN, who would be downgrading during their competitive window, waiting for a McTavish or Zegras to turn into a solid top 6 C

Minnesota wouldn’t. That he put ek here is laughable! He wasn’t even available for Eichel! lol! Ek is everything to wild! He also has no trade clause

 

[Johnsie19]

Another possibility would be for VAN to deal EP and make one or more follow-up trades to get what they want. Consider this scenario:

To DET: EP
To VAN: Compher, Wallinder (naturally), 2025 lotto-protected 1st

This would make sense for DET in that they need the star prime-age C to make progress in busting out of their rebuild, and the main piece they give up is a very high 1st round pick.

VAN meanwhile gets 6.5M cap space, a versatile RHC, a near NHL-ready Dman, and the 1st would let them make a follow-up trade using this pick or their own (in which they can leverage that 6.5M cap space), depending on whether it is more valuable to them to get the immediate upgrade that trading DET's pick would offer, or a decent addition (maybe a pending UFA they can extend?) and a window-extending top 10 pick this year (still less appealing, imho, considering the age gap between this eventual player and Hughes).

Even if they are being forced to make a move, it's something like this or the above deal that I would expect. As unappealing as moving EP is, there is simly no way I can see dealing Miller instead not seriously taking away from this Hughes-era competitive window...

This trade would effectively end the Hughes era competitive window. It's a shockingly bad return. An established 1C potential franchise cornerstone for scraps and a pick.

And then who is trading top 6 centerman? Not many teams thats why MIller and Petey might get more than you think. Certainly Petey shouldn't be sold for anything less than a kings ransom.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

A reasonable question, but to me, NYI, DAL, MIN, DET and BUF would not want to trade their young top 6 Cs for EP because the likely upgrade at C alone wouldn't really be worth it, and it is a risk with how EP has been performing of late.

Meanwhile, I don't think ANA would really want to speed up their rebuild like this - they might be better off just being patient and leveraging cap space once the opportunity to be competitive starts to arise. Either that, or they would not be willing to offer enough of a + to make it appealing to VAN, who would be downgrading during their competitive window, waiting for a McTavish or Zegras to turn into a solid top 6 C

Anaheim has been actively in any talks for any forwards the last couple years. If we can get Pettersson for 1 of mctavish/zegras + our 1st/minty + small pieces depending…. I think we’re basically just upgrading the center piece at the cost of pieces we have extra of

 

[Fatass]

Thats a good question actually. I think Dobson and Power have similar value. Though Power is locked in long term at a rate that'll be a lot less than what Dobson is gonna get so that's prob the deciding factor.

That’s a good observation about contracts. Plus, between Power and Dobson which would be better suited to carry a second pairing? It’s doubtful either would get much PP time with Hughes in Van. And it seems Hronek is a perfect fit with Hughes at evens. So if they do bring in a D the guy is likely to play second pairing. But would also be heavily relied on for PK and D zone start minutes. 20-25 hard minutes. Is that role more Power or Dobson?

 

[Johnsie19]

A reasonable question, but to me, NYI, DAL, MIN, DET and BUF would not want to trade their young top 6 Cs for EP because the likely upgrade at C alone wouldn't really be worth it, and it is a risk with how EP has been performing of late.

Meanwhile, I don't think ANA would really want to speed up their rebuild like this - they might be better off just being patient and leveraging cap space once the opportunity to be competitive starts to arise. Either that, or they would not be willing to offer enough of a + to make it appealing to VAN, who would be downgrading during their competitive window, waiting for a McTavish or Zegras to turn into a solid top 6 C

I mean you can always suggest reasons why a trade won't happen but I'm just saying if one of these team's GMs what like I wanna upgrade my 1C and this is a rare opportunity to do so well these guys would start the conversation.

McTavish could easily be a 2c by next yr. And Anaheim could easily be ready to win by next yr. It's a young league.

 

[Rowlet]

That’s a good observation about contracts. Plus, between Power and Dobson which would be better suited to carry a second pairing? It’s doubtful either would get much PP time with Hughes in Van. And it seems Hronek is a perfect fit with Hughes at evens. So if they do bring in a D the guy is likely to play second pairing. But would also be heavily relied on for PK and D zone start minutes. 20-25 hard minutes. Is that role more Power or Dobson?

Another thing to consider is that Sabres may actually be more likely to add than Islanders.

Buffalo can trade Power from a position of strength, they have 3 top pairing D, while the Islanders have 2 top 6 C. Buffalo also desperately needs a winning season while the Islanders just made the playoffs. Unless they're moving Nelson asap, I don't see the same urgency.

 

[Kegs]

sounds like miller is the issue. I guess he expects His team to act and maybe train a certain way?

 

[Fatass]

sounds like miller is the issue. I guess he expects His team to act and maybe train a certain way?

Weren’t there stories about McKinnon wanting his teammates to eat healthier or something a couple years back?

 

[ValeriKamensky]

I’d try to guess what Flyers could offer for EP/JT. But I’m afraid witnesses of sect “Briere and St. Rebuild”, which will comе to explain why Flyers don’t need players which can play hockey until Michkov turns 28 y.o.

 

[is the answer jesus]

All we do here is speculate. So if we speculate the Sabres are offering Power then why not speculate the U it skk ok anders are offering Dobson +? It’s all the same made up stuff, no?

I get it. I've seen the rumors as well that tie the Islanders and Canucks together. Maybe Dobson's available, maybe he isn't, I'd assume Isles fans would have a better feel on that. There's some uncertainty with what Dobson's next contract is going to look like, but if that isn't a worry for Vancouver and the Isles would move him I'd say he's a better piece than Power (at least at this point in their respective careers).

 

[Chet Manley]

If Petey is being traded I think there are many teams that would offer a top 6 c it just might have to be part of a bigger deal

Barzal
McTavish
Byfield
Hintz
Ek
Suzuki
Larkin
Tage

I think basically everyone of these would have to add but would represent a reasonable base to start trade negotiations.

It would take one of those players being totally on the outs with their team. Not saying something like that can't happen but nobody is trading players that good for one that is basically an overpriced project.