Kegs
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Ep40 for Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau. 
Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread
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I tried to make it as subtle as I could, I should have added like "its pretty even if Canucks add a 2nd or similar"
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Maybe with lacombe and helleson looking solid, and guys like solberg, luneau, smith, moore and hinds etc coming, maybe PV would be willing to.
Idk that I’d add a 1st or to a package like mctavish + minty tho, prob those 2 + another piece but not as big as a 1st
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Which is fine.
TBH, the basis of any deal is a young C with Top 6 upside and a young Top 4 dman.
Anything else to make the deal work is negotiable.
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Kegs
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Ya but who does? And who does that he would accept a trade too? 11 mil cap hit too. There are a lot of obstacles. Vancouver fans are going to be angry if he gets traded no matter what as far as I’m concerned. It will be very hard to win a trade with ep40 in my opinion.
I foresee zero movement and they both finish the season in Vancouver.
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Pettersson has no say who he accepts a trade to prior to July 1st.
This is entirely possible in Pettersson’s case, in fact I think it’s more likely any potential Pettersson trade happens in the offseason when teams have more roster flexibility.
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People get a little carried away. Petey is clearly a 1C we know this. There is turmoil in the room and it's affecting his play. Not that we needed the reassurance but when Miller was on his leave of absence Petey went off for like 19 points in 12 games.
McTavish is a good young player. I don't project him as a 1C personally. Then a say like the 8th pick. Is that good value??? Maybe. Again you'd have to think on it. Not a slam dunk by any means.
Just look at the big trades of the past. About 95% of the time the team getting the star player win the trade and usually quite easily.
I'm admittedly not a huge Cozens fan and I think he's a better winger than a center. Not a terrible player, but I'd certainly be dangling him in a trade if I were Adams.
It doesn't address the center need for Vancouver, but I'd offer Power For Pettersson. I doubt Vancouver would get a better singular player/prospect from anyone else.
I'd agree that an in season trade involving EP seems too difficult to pull off. That said Anaheim might have a McTavish package and the cap space to maybe make that work. Still seems more likely and easier to pull off a Miller deal.
Just to be clear a 1st still wouldnt get you anywhere close. The players you offered are all very mediocre. Not looking to a 3 for 1 let alone without futures.
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Jay Beagle? In THIS economy?
Elias does not have any trade protection on his contract this year.
There are many teams that often cannot attract superstars through free agency (can only draft them potentially) that would look at acquiring Pettersson at 26 with a contract that keeps him through his prime as exactly that.
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If the Islanders are offering Dobson +, isn’t that better than only Power?
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To be clear, Horvat and Miller don't get along. My isles do not need to be saddled with another wrong side of 30 yr old player. He's going to be 32 this year with 6 more years at 8M.
3 years ago, Isles had a deal in place for to trade the 13th overall pick for him but we pivoted to Romanov. Lou backed out because it was leaked to the press.
3 years later, I'm not giving up my 24 yr old Top LD, 1st rounders and younsters and whatever you think you want for him. That ship has sailed.
We are not a win now team, so what the hell would we do this? We are in a rebuilding stage. We are going to trade off Brock Nelson and Parms at the deadline. If we can move Lee, Pageau and Cizikas, we will too.
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Pettersson+Desharnais.
Don't even care of we lose the trade just mix it up.
Pettersson+Desharnais.
Don't even care of we lose the trade just mix it up.
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I said more or less this already in one of the closed threads, but I will repeat: As a VAN fan, I hope they just figure it out and stay together. This VAN team will hopefully get healthy and play well down the stretch - they have excellent secondary scoring, so if their stars come back and come alive, they are a serious threat, even as a lower seed in the playoffs (no doubt in my mind they get there, considering where they are in the standings thus far).
But if there IS an issue between Miller and EP that cannot be resolved with them both staying, the main things to think about are:
1) VAN is in a competitive window, mostly thanks to Hughes and Demko's cap-efficient contracts, and even Miller's to an extent, if he is performing at his best, and with the cap going up
2) Miller has a NTC, which will kill his value - think something like Mittlestadt + 2nd or something, that's about all VAN could hope to get, imho
3) A futures return is largely unappealing - you would be banking on VAN's window being extended, and being most competitive after Hughes exits his prime, which is very risky. A return that extends their window, by acquiring players similar in age or slightly younger than Hughes but not years away would make the most sense.
So, to me, if a move is to happen, it would have to be something like this:
EP to CAR; Necas + Kotkaniemi + Morrow to VAN
This should appeal to CAR, as though they are sacrificing an excellent contributor, they are also adding what will likely be a premier prime-aged C to complement Aho and their still-strong winger depth, and sending back an inefficient (though not crippling) contract, while VAN gets a win-now piece back, a decent reclamation potential (that can be bought out for an 850k cap hit two seasons beyond this one), and a near-NHL ready player at a position of need.
It's possible EP could be dealt elsewhere, but the fit isn't very good (no teams I can think of who would give up a prime-age top 6 C for EP that wouldn't be a huge downgrade in the near future, it would have to be a Kotkaniemi, Mittlestadt or Cozens-type, and that isn't all that appealing to VAN without a Necas/Tuch/Lehkonen type +
But if there IS an issue between Miller and EP that cannot be resolved with them both staying, the main things to think about are:
1) VAN is in a competitive window, mostly thanks to Hughes and Demko's cap-efficient contracts, and even Miller's to an extent, if he is performing at his best, and with the cap going up
2) Miller has a NTC, which will kill his value - think something like Mittlestadt + 2nd or something, that's about all VAN could hope to get, imho
3) A futures return is largely unappealing - you would be banking on VAN's window being extended, and being most competitive after Hughes exits his prime, which is very risky. A return that extends their window, by acquiring players similar in age or slightly younger than Hughes but not years away would make the most sense.
So, to me, if a move is to happen, it would have to be something like this:
EP to CAR; Necas + Kotkaniemi + Morrow to VAN
This should appeal to CAR, as though they are sacrificing an excellent contributor, they are also adding what will likely be a premier prime-aged C to complement Aho and their still-strong winger depth, and sending back an inefficient (though not crippling) contract, while VAN gets a win-now piece back, a decent reclamation potential (that can be bought out for an 850k cap hit two seasons beyond this one), and a near-NHL ready player at a position of need.
It's possible EP could be dealt elsewhere, but the fit isn't very good (no teams I can think of who would give up a prime-age top 6 C for EP that wouldn't be a huge downgrade in the near future, it would have to be a Kotkaniemi, Mittlestadt or Cozens-type, and that isn't all that appealing to VAN without a Necas/Tuch/Lehkonen type +
Power for Pettersson is a good value on a 1v1 I'd agree. If you want to trade cozens for a top 6 c it'd have to be for Miller.
Are the Isles offering Dobson? Let alone Dobson +? I'm not an Islanders fan, but I have a hard time seeing them moving their best defenseman with very little on their active roster or in their pipeline to help backfill that move.
