Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[CanMerc]

Ya why would one of the best teams in the league make a cup run? Crazy idea.




Why are ppl saying miller wants to go to the rangers? Why would any player want to go there at this point? Especially one on the back end of his prime.

When they can get past the 2nd round…actually the 1st, regularly, they can be a serious threat…but until then, the leafs arenot really a cup threat.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Ah yes the classic we want one of your best players but our best assets are off the table.

In general when teams are dealing for a “distressed asset” that’s how it goes

 

[Edgelord]

When they can get past the 2nd round…actually the 1st, regularly, they can be a serious threat…but until then, the leafs arenot really a cup threat.

I hate to be the cliche Leafs fan but this yr feels different lol

 

[jjniner]

Why? Because center is a position of weakness and trading center for center does us zero good. Big team and prospects loaded with wingers. Was not sure of your needs, but unfortunately we cannot trade center for center. That is why Thomas is not available.

 

[AvatarAang]

Marner (sign and trade) for Miller

 

[Nogatco Rd]

He would get a cup run then get to go to the club he wants in the off season, the more I think about it, if its allowed its a win-win-win in that Vancouver gets paid twice, Leafs get a perfect player to fill out the top 6 and the Rangers get their guy but get to wait till the offseason when they have more cap flexibility

In a vacuum Miller would be a great fit for the Leafs, but team chemistry is always a consideration and Miller is a big personality. The Leafs current leadership group strikes me as more deferential and confrontation-averse than most. It would be a big risk to bring in a guy like Miller IMO and I would be surprised if management thought it was worth it.

I guess in your scenario it would only be a quasi-rental, which somewhat reduces the risk involved. Still, if I’m Toronto I’m looking for someone who will mesh better with the guys there now, and probably cost less as well.

 

[Edgelord]

Marner (sign and trade) for Miller

I have no clue whats going on with Marner and J.T. I have my best guess, I'm thinking they both stay.
I would expect Marner to come in around 12.5-13 and J.T to take a team-friendly deal from 2.5-4.5 a yr

 

[Lupuls Grit]

In a vacuum Miller would be a great fit for the Leafs, but team chemistry is always a consideration and Miller is a big personality. The Leafs current leadership group strikes me as more deferential and confrontation-averse than most. It would be a big risk to bring in a guy like Miller IMO and I would be surprised if management thought it was worth it.

I guess in your scenario it would only be a quasi-rental, which somewhat reduces the risk involved. Still, if I’m Toronto I’m looking for someone who will mesh better with the guys there now, and probably cost less as well.

That is exactly why the Leafs should make an aggressive push for Miller. His style of play and attitude would complement the Leafs really well. Not sure about the return but it would probably start with Knies.

 

[Edgelord]

In a vacuum Miller would be a great fit for the Leafs, but team chemistry is always a consideration and Miller is a big personality. The Leafs current leadership group strikes me as more deferential and confrontation-averse than most. It would be a big risk to bring in a guy like Miller IMO and I would be surprised if management thought it was worth it.

I guess in your scenario it would only be a quasi-rental, which somewhat reduces the risk involved. Still, if I’m Toronto I’m looking for someone who will mesh better with the guys there now, and probably cost less as well.

Thats true, plus the way Knies has been playing he has been filling the role, he has been playing gritty and putting the puck in the net, and he's big.
Patches has been good but durability is an issue and Robertson is going to be good but as of now I find he can become easily disengaged mentally if the play is far from him for a fair amount of time. Because of that, I expect the coach to have him in and out of the line up. When Robertson can stay 100% focused for his whole shift, he looks like a 2nd liner but when he does the whole fade off into lala land away from the play, its annoying. He does respond to Berube sitting him tho, anyway lol that's really 1 spot in the top 9. replace Patches with a gritty scoring LW via trade(rental), bump Patches down, run Patches-Domi-McMann and when Robertson is on his game he gets McMann's spot and McMann slides down to give the 4th line some offense
Knies-Matthews-Marner
Patches-Tavares-Nylander
McMann-Domi-Robertson

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I have no clue whats going on with Marner and J.T. I have my best guess, I'm thinking they both stay.
I would expect Marner to come in around 12.5-13 and J.T to take a team-friendly deal from 2.5-4.5 a yr

Tavares is on pace for 40 goals and 80 points. IMO $5M would be a team friendly deal, less than 4 would be straight up charity

 

[John Mandalorian]

without knowing the exact clause that prohibits it, I can confidently say no, that wouldn’t be allowed.

If the leafs (and rangers) wanted to pull something like that off, why not just have TOR add to their initial trade to VAN, and then recoup some equivalent assets when they trade him over the summer to NYR?

It kind of seems like a trade conditional upon a signing.

 

[Edgelord]

That is exactly why the Leafs should make an aggressive push for Miller. His style of play and attitude would complement the Leafs really well. Not sure about the return but it would probably start with Knies.

I can't see them moving Knies, IMO he is the foundational piece of the post core 4 gen

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

Curious. Having a discussion with a few friends and I’d like to know what you all think WPG needs to add to Ehlers for JT Miller?

Ehler is expiring. Without an extension in place that benefits the canucks the cost to acquire will be high, unless the canucks 3 way trade to get other assets for Ehlers

 

[JKG33]

That is exactly why the Leafs should make an aggressive push for Miller. His style of play and attitude would complement the Leafs really well. Not sure about the return but it would probably start with Knies.

I would love Miller on the Leafs, just what this loser team needs. But the problem is they have 3 EP's for Miller to hate instead of the 1 Vancouver has

Curious. Having a discussion with a few friends and I’d like to know what you all think WPG needs to add to Ehlers for JT Miller?

Probably an asset more valuable than Ehlers

 

[Lupuls Grit]

I can't see them moving Knies, IMO he is the foundational piece of the post core 4 gen

That is definitely a fair take but I really can't think of any other significant assets that could be the centrepiece for the Canucks - a team that will want at least one good immediate asset. I suppose it can be a three way trade that will allow the Leafs to trade picks or prospects to that team and the Canucks take either a top-4 D or young-ish centre.

 

[Michoulicious]

I can't see them moving Knies, IMO he is the foundational piece of the post core 4 gen

"Post core 4 gen" is a rebuilding team.

There is nothing in the pipeline and that team core is already in their late 20s.

If they can get a game changer top line player like Miller for only Knies and they can get the cap working, they should.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Curious. Having a discussion with a few friends and I’d like to know what you all think WPG needs to add to Ehlers for JT Miller?

Almost nothing the jets would consider moving. Unfortunately Canucks don't need or want ehlers.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ya

You do realize that the video is over a year old right?

that’s probably why it’s been mentioned, the conflict has been going on for years, and EP saying he is hot headed.

 

[Edgelord]

That is definitely a fair take but I really can't think of any other significant assets that could be the centrepiece for the Canucks - a team that will want at least one good immediate asset. I suppose it can be a three way trade that will allow the Leafs to trade picks or prospects to that team and the Canucks take either a top-4 D or young-ish centre.

I don't think the Leafs and Canucks match up well. Until we know whats going on with Marner and J.T its tough to add salary. Also the pieces we would want to move are draft picks, prospects and roster guys like Holmberg, Robertson etc. IMO the Leafs are better set up to go after a rental like Granlund, or Boeser(if he can play the left wing)

 

[Cogburn]

j

Marner (sign and trade) for Miller

Yeah, nah.

Matthews or Nylander are the two Leafs I'd want to acquire if Miller or Pettersson are leaving.

 

[Edgelord]

j

Yeah, nah.

Matthews or Nylander are the two Leafs I'd want to acquire if Miller or Pettersson are leaving.

can't fault you for aiming high but no.

 

[The Andrew Peeke Fan]

Bruins and Canucks swap 5 major players and both continue to be uninspired, both wonder why

 

[The don godfather]

Bruins and Canucks swap 5 major players and both continue to be uninspired, both wonder why

What's the pieces?

 

[Ciao]

Is this scenario against the CBA?,
Leafs approach Miller and say waive your no trade to come here and in the offseason we promise to trade you to the Rangers
Leafs then talk to the Rangers and work out a fair return that Vancouver likes.
So it goes down like this
Van trades Miller to the Leafs for a rental style return
In the offseason the Leafs trade Miller to the Rangers for a decent return and then the Leafs then trade that same return to the Canucks for future considerations.
Is that allowed?

ROFL. Seriously? A delayed three-way trade?

Do all three teams button-down the details now and send it in to the league office for approval, or do the Canucks just take it on faith that the Leafs and Rangers will do good to them?

What happens when JT Miller suffers a career-limiting injury before the Leafs season is over? What parts of the deal are still on?

What if another player that hasn't changed teams yet has a change in circumstances?

What if one team reneges or asks to renegotiate before all is said and done, leaving others empty handed? Is this thing intended to be enforceable?

Sheesh. One of the most bad ideas in the history of bad ideas.

 

[Rowlet]

I can't see them moving Knies, IMO he is the foundational piece of the post core 4 gen

Take it from a Canucks fan, when you have a chance to strike for the cup, go for it.

The Canucks won back to back presidents trophies and kept their first round picks in both years for some reason, if they sold the farm in 2011 they likely win the cup, and if they moved their 2012 pick and manage to beat LA, they have a relatively easy path to the cup. For a 1st + Cody Hodgson, the Canucks could have gotten pretty much any player they wanted.

If Miller can get the Maple Leafs their first cup since there's been more than 6 teams, respectfully, who gives a shit about Knies. With any (or multiple) of Matthews, Marner, or Nylander leaving the team, the Leafs are probably cooked, so take the chance while you've got it because there's likely no future after the core 4 gen.