Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread | Part 409

[Nogatco Rd]

Let's get one thing clear, JT Miller is 13th in points over the last 5 years.

Anybody coming in here with a garbage proposal is a troll

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What do you think is a fair trade, hypothetically? Strictly in terms of value, doesn’t necessarily have to be a team who would be interested in him

 

[John Mandalorian]

Let's get one thing clear, JT Miller is 13th in points over the last 5 years.

Anybody coming in here with a garbage proposal is a troll

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And let’s get another thing clear: 13th in points over the last 5 years is better than 14th in points over the last 5 years...but not as good as 12th.

 

[Forge]

men lie, women lie, numbers dont homie

sports is about numbers thats it thats all. Miller is a producer and puts a contender over the top.

Cool story. Would recommend

 

[Mr Positive]

Canucks should really address this issue. If they want to save their season. They let it get too far

Imo they will trade Boeser for their shake up trade. They will do everything but trade Miller or Pettersson, or Demko

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

You don't actually believe real life works this way right..?!

Brother, that's a basic background check that 99% of adults go through for a job application/process. The Devils would be foolish if they didn't ask the Hughes brothers with Quinn in Vancouver about JT Miller's issues before they pull the trigger on anything. Does that mean that the Hughes brothers 100% know something? Of course not, but if they did then the trade would never happen which was my point. Fitz would also ask Palat who was his teammate in Tampa Bay and how he was in the locker room. Is that too far-fetched for you to understand also?

 

[Forge]

You don't actually believe real life works this way right..?!

Wait, a guy with rumored locker room issues and you don't think the GM is doing due diligence with former teammates and guys who have access to current teammates?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...Vancouver needs to sign Tony DeAngelo now...that'll straighten the locker room issues out...

 

[CraigBillington]

No one said that

Just someone trying to use that stupid line that for some reason has cropped up in so many discussions on here.

 

[Nocashstyle]

You don't actually believe real life works this way right..?!

You’re delusional if you think otherwise

 

[Kegs]

men lie, women lie, numbers dont homie

sports is about numbers thats it thats all. Miller is a producer and puts a contender over the top.

Sports is “what have you done for me lately”

 

[Bankers Box]

Hard to say what Millers value is atm but I believe it’s likely that the reality is much lower than what most Canuck fans think. It’s always the same thing anytime a star player goes on the market due to “issues”.

Miller isn’t going to get market value and that is obvious. Canucks may not trade him if they don’t get an offer they feel worthy but he isn’t bringing home anything close to the value he had last year.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Brother, that's a basic background check that 99% of adults go through for a job application/process. The Devils would be foolish if they didn't ask the Hughes brothers with Quinn in Vancouver about JT Miller's issues before they pull the trigger on anything. Does that mean that the Hughes brothers 100% know something? Of course not, but if they did then the trade would never happen which was my point. Fitz would also ask Palat who was his teammate in Tampa Bay and how he was in the locker room. Is that too far-fetched for you to understand also?

Wait, a guy with rumored locker room issues and you don't think the GM is doing due diligence with former teammates and guys who have access to current teammates?

You’re delusional if you think otherwise

Due diligence and "Convo ends right there about the Devils acquiring him" are very different, obviously.

Fitz and the Devils org don't make decisions of such magnitude based on what a couple of kids think lol, the delusional part is thinking they would, and inventing a hypothetical conversation between them...

Jack& Luke don't run the franchise, and the Devils obviously want the things jtm brings, probably partially his craziness and physicality to help protect those two skinny stars.

 

[hotshot1]

Trade Miller, Pettersson, 2 firsts, and $50m for Luke and Jack.

 

[Boxscore]

The problem here is: Do you really think if NJ offered Nemec up league-wide, the best offer they would get is JT Miller, if they add Mercer too? Or something like that? Seems implausible...

No, that is 100% not the worst case scenario in #3. That would be "both players find a new lease on life in new markets, and VAN ends up with..... Kotkaniemi and Mercer at C? Pinto and Trocheck? Dach and Zacha?

Where is the scenario where VAN trades both players, and has a competent pair of top 6 Cs, with whom they can contend right now?

How about if it ends up:

Out:
Pettersson
Miller

In:
Cozens
Ostlund
Zibanejad
+

 

[kvladimir]

How about if it ends up:

Out:
Pettersson
Miller

In:
Cozens
Ostlund
Zibanejad
+

Is the + 2 top 6 Cs?

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Due diligence and "Convo ends right there about the Devils acquiring him" are very different, obviously.

Fitz and the Devils org don't make decisions of such magnitude based on what a couple of kids think lol, the delusional part is thinking they would, and inventing a hypothetical conversation between them...

Jack& Luke don't run the franchise, and the Devils obviously want the things jtm brings, probably partially his craziness and physicality to help protect those two skinny stars.

That's a take. Mind you, I don't run the Devils, but if some of my best personnel tell me a guy I'm possibly bringing onto a crew has had some issues with other coworkers, I'm taking that opinion seriously. If they have issues with keeping on weight, that's a different problem.

 

[CellyHard]

Let's get one thing clear, JT Miller is 13th in points over the last 5 years.

Anybody coming in here with a garbage proposal is a troll

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This leaves out so much context and such an odd way to gauge someones value. I mean Stamkos is 23rd, Zibanejad 26th and Huberdeau 29th in points but I wouldn't trade anything of value for those players. Just because Miller is 13th doesn't automatically mean he is valuable because you aren't buying those last 5 years you are buying the next 5....and he makes 8 million during that time, about to be 32, coming with some serious character concerns and carries a NMC so he can kind of pick and choose where he wants to go and limit a bidding war.

I hate to break it you but when you add that all together, you end up getting some low ball offers. It isn't trolling, it's people gauging all the risk associated with acquiring him.

 

[Boxscore]

Is the + 2 top 6 Cs?

Not being facetious but how are those 2 top 6 Cs working out for the Canucks right now? If these guys could coexist and elevate the Canucks they wouldn't be in the situation, no? So, why is it expected that a team is going to trade one of their top Cs like a Stutzle, Barkov, Suzuki, Eichel, Aho, Larkin, etc. for a player who is in the midst of drama in Vancouver?

In this case, I think we need to ask.,,

Could Cozens end up a 30-50-80 threat in Vancouver? Could Zibanejad regain form and score 70-80 points? Does Ostlund pan out and end up an electrifying gamebreaker? Is the + a 1st rounder who ends up a franchise talent?

The Canucks will need to take a risk/reward deal imho.

 

[Petes2424]

If the Canucks took that Palat, Stillman and a 2nd offer, ownership would be looking for new management this summer.

Mercer almost has to be in the deal with NJ, and then you’d see something like Hameenaho, and either a pick that escalates or another prospect they can agree upon.

JT Miller is an elite player in this league, no matter how many Canadians want to ignore it because he’s an arrogant American, or Americans ignore it because he plays in Western Canada, and they rarely see him play since he left Tampa. That 3rd piece could be Stillman, but the Canucks would obviously push for either Nemec or Casey in the trade. Problem is, if they’re going to get one of those two, Mercer should be off the table. Could we see a Mercer/Casey trade? Sure, if NJ thinks Casey won’t produce in the NHL long-term, than why not? He proves everyone wrong at every level though.

Mercer by far, is one of the few players coming back in this trade, who could help fans forget about JT pretty quickly. He’d get the extended opportunities, most feel he needs for his career to kick into high gear.

I still say watch out for the Sens, to somehow convince JT he’s the missing piece. Norris would probably be the best return they could expect anywhere. Ottawa wouldn’t have to add much more, and it is a chance the Canucks are taking, but Norris could explode with a fresh approach. Maybe a Norris/Kleven trade could work.

The Canucks lose this trade 100% if they don’t get a player who’s somewhere around .5 ppg, but everyone knows with the right opportunity and situation there’s a chance he’s a PPG player at some point. Or, they admit they’re gonna reboot a little here, and take the prospect route, with a high end youngster coming back, as the main piece. It’s just not in their DNA to go that route.

 

[VanillaCoke]

That's a take. Mind you, I don't run the Devils, but if some of my best personnel tell me a guy I'm possibly bringing onto a crew has had some issues with other coworkers, I'm taking that opinion seriously. If they have issues with keeping on weight, that's a different problem.

It's not a take tho... due diligence and "conversation ends" are not synonymous..

Again in reality nhl organizations don't make decisions based on what two kids think, they have mgmt teams and data nerds assess if the player is going to make them money/win games, playoff games especially.

Jt happens to add alot of what NJ, and several other teams, would definitely like to add to their irl teams, and even pay good assets for, it's not like van has only one option either.

 

[kvladimir]

Not being facetious but how are those 2 top 6 Cs working out for the Canucks right now? If these guys could coexist and elevate the Canucks they wouldn't be in the situation, no? So, why is it expected that a team is going to trade one of their top Cs like a Stutzle, Barkov, Suzuki, Eichel, Aho, Larkin, etc. for a player who is in the midst of drama in Vancouver?

In this case, I think we need to ask.,,

Could Cozens end up a 30-50-80 threat in Vancouver? Could Zibanejad regain form and score 70-80 points? Does Ostlund pan out and end up an electrifying gamebreaker? Is the + a 1st rounder who ends up a franchise talent?

The Canucks will need to take a risk/reward deal imho.

Fair, but for EP it's at least conceivable to get a top 6 C back. Tough move to make. I would definitely deal Miller first and see how EP responds. You can still wait until the draft to make the move without his NTC impeding.

Here's another random idea: Miller to COL for Mittlestadt, straight up.

COL can fit Miller with their LTIR space, VAN gets 2.25M more cap for other adds (Dman, most likely), and a C who had 59p in 82 games and 57 in 80 last 2 season before this, but apparently needs a change of scenery. Same age as EP, also.

Would Miller + MacKinnon be a match, or a disaster?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I don't know, to me Nemec sounds like a pretty good piece for Van to get back given the locker room situation , I mean they are in a position of weakness here no?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

It's not a take tho... due diligence and "conversation ends" are not synonymous..

Again in reality nhl organizations don't make decisions based on what two kids think, they have mgmt teams and data nerds assess if the player is going to make them money/win games, playoff games especially.

Jt happens to add alot of what NJ, and several other teams, would definitely like to add to their irl teams, and even pay good assets for, it's not like van has only one option either.

That's funny cause I swear that's how Vancouver got into this whole mess in the first place between people picking between Miller's/EP's sides. You're just being dense for the sake of being a contrarian on the internet. If Tom Fitzgerald asked the Hughes brothers about Miller and Quinn told his brothers how shit of a teammate Miller is, Fitz is not trading for Miller. I don't understand how you can't latch onto this concept, it literally applies to the real world as well. Your boss wouldn't hire someone you hated if you were a valued employee in the company because team morale is a legitimate thing in the workplace whether it's a bullshit coffee shop or pro sports. Jack Hughes isn't some top 9 forward that chips in 20 goals a year, he's arguably gonna be the best Devil forward in history while Luke Hughes is on a franchise dman path, so yes their words carry weight when the GM asks their opinion. They f***ing kept Lindy Ruff for a while cause Jack liked him so much.

 

[VanillaCoke]

That's funny cause I swear that's how Vancouver got into this whole mess in the first place between people picking between Miller's/EP's sides. You're just being dense for the sake of being a contrarian on the internet. If Tom Fitzgerald asked the Hughes brothers about Miller and Quinn told him how shit of a teammate he is, he's not trading for him. I don't understand how you can't latch onto this concept, it literally applies to the real world as well. Your boss wouldn't hire someone you hated if you were a valued employee in the company because team morale is a legitimate thing in the workplace whether it's a bullshit coffee shop or pro sports.

You're just upset the imaginary conversation you made up is ridic..

Devils due diligence is one thing, but you are the one who said "Convo ends right there about the Devils acquiring him" & "he's not trading for him".

And that is false.
So I'm not surprised at your inability to understand lol

In real life it does not work that way and im sad for you if you actually believe it does... in Real life Professional sports franchises do not change/stop decisions based upon young players input/opinions.

These are grown adults, mostly old men with their own egos and ideas, making big money to run multi hundred million dollar operations and win games/cups. A half dozen of them are going to look at JTM playoffs last year, his physicality, faceoffs, and four point game the other week and convince themselves he's just what they need, is going to put them over the top and the change of scenery will fix any personal issues....

 

[Kegs]

I can’t wait to see miller traded for a 4th and watching this board crash and burn.