coladin
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I finally convinced myself to get a golf membership for the first time lol. Guess not!
OT: Everything COVID19 - PART 8
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I finally convinced myself to get a golf membership for the first time lol. Guess not!
It’s a tricky question eh. I remember when they 1st announced that they were delaying the 2nd dose for 4 months in order to get more people a first dose, my original thought was that we should follow what was tested. But I definitely adapted my thinking given how circumstances were changing and now I have been persuaded that this is the right decision.
It’s sort of a similar question all around the world. Some politicians and others have mentioned things like why are we getting less vaccines than some 3rd world countries. It doesn’t appear that is actually true but even if it were true, what is the implication? That rich countries should be getting more vaccines first? Is that the natural outcome of globalization?
It does seem unfair that Atlantic Canada got on top of this early, did the lock downs, and got things under control while Ontario seemingly opened prematurely in spite of warnings from their Dr’s about the pending disaster and now we want to pull vaccines from Atlantic Canada to the harder hit areas in Ontario and Alberta. That is a hard one. I'm not sure what is best. I guess I would lean towards what would bring the best national outcome and leave the scolding for lessons learned later.
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I am so frustrated/mentally exhausted/anxious trying to do the right thing when many do not. I look at most people nowadays with disdain, my trust in humanity disappearing by the day. I don't believe or trust anyone in what they say or do. That goes for politicians, friends, neighbours, my kids, my wife. Everyone. I question the kids, under a swinging light in a grey room with no windows (lol). My wife gets a room with a window and is a difficult witness. Combative but ultimately cooperates. A little exaggeration, but not my state of mind, unfortunately.
I don't believe Dr. Warner when he shares his stories about essential workers getting sick. I personally know many who lie about their exposure risks to avoid COVID shame. I know many who coverup their shame by failing to disclose their close contacts in order to not be shamed or reproached by their friends or even family members. Then again, I know a construction site where they do not wear masks, and they are now struggling with a COVID outbreak. Everyone has to abide by the regulations.
Ottawa has no industry. Many work from home to a disproportionate amount compared to Toronto. There is no f***ing reason for the numbers to be so f***ing high. We are not Toronto. I do know this:
Last week a restaurant hosted a private party. 30 patrons. 26 are now sick.
An Easter gathering ended in ruins as the whole family got sick. The funny thing is, some got the UK variant, and some had good old fashioned COVID. Like, seriously?
In my neighborhood, a 19 yr old booked a limo bus full of like minded kids and of course, couldn't help themselves and shared their pics on Snap and TikTok. They were apprehended and fined. Parents in "disbelief" , of course, lying to protect their shame.
I live like a hermit, and am on my kids all the time because I am hearing more and more everyday that people are getting COVID. It is getting uncomfortably close. There are restaurants in Ottawa that were closing the blinds at 10 and continuing on. Speakeasys are everywhere.
I know we need more vaccines. But everyone is to blame. Trudeau for trying to negotiate with China only to be extorted and Canada lost four months of procurement. Like, how do you negotiate with a country that has kidnapped Canadians? Because he was naive and thought that they would get the first vaccine out. How naive and gullible.
Ford has been a bumbling disaster, folks. Enough with the folks shit. I can sympathize with him about vaccine shortages. But his inability to police worksites and refusal of targeting condensed workplaces with vaccine is a decision I simply cannot condone. COVID has turned into and ethically complex issue. Do you choose between saving lives and protecting healthcare by vaccinating the 50+, or do you try and control the spread. There isn't enough vaccine to do both. And you have to choose. He does not have the wisdom of Solomon. Reality is, in the event @JD1 gets covid, he may be hospitalized. That is the issue here. The twenty or thirtysomething most likely can withstand from home. But that younger fellow could spread this bitch everywhere. Tough choice.
Sorry for the rant, but I am just struggling with this as of late. I know a lot of people are. I shudder to think getting COVID now would be an incredible catastrophe for me , personally. It is a mental challenge to suppress daily.
I don't believe Dr. Warner when he shares his stories about essential workers getting sick. I personally know many who lie about their exposure risks to avoid COVID shame. I know many who coverup their shame by failing to disclose their close contacts in order to not be shamed or reproached by their friends or even family members. Then again, I know a construction site where they do not wear masks, and they are now struggling with a COVID outbreak. Everyone has to abide by the regulations.
Ottawa has no industry. Many work from home to a disproportionate amount compared to Toronto. There is no f***ing reason for the numbers to be so f***ing high. We are not Toronto. I do know this:
Last week a restaurant hosted a private party. 30 patrons. 26 are now sick.
An Easter gathering ended in ruins as the whole family got sick. The funny thing is, some got the UK variant, and some had good old fashioned COVID. Like, seriously?
In my neighborhood, a 19 yr old booked a limo bus full of like minded kids and of course, couldn't help themselves and shared their pics on Snap and TikTok. They were apprehended and fined. Parents in "disbelief" , of course, lying to protect their shame.
I live like a hermit, and am on my kids all the time because I am hearing more and more everyday that people are getting COVID. It is getting uncomfortably close. There are restaurants in Ottawa that were closing the blinds at 10 and continuing on. Speakeasys are everywhere.
I know we need more vaccines. But everyone is to blame. Trudeau for trying to negotiate with China only to be extorted and Canada lost four months of procurement. Like, how do you negotiate with a country that has kidnapped Canadians? Because he was naive and thought that they would get the first vaccine out. How naive and gullible.
Ford has been a bumbling disaster, folks. Enough with the folks shit. I can sympathize with him about vaccine shortages. But his inability to police worksites and refusal of targeting condensed workplaces with vaccine is a decision I simply cannot condone. COVID has turned into and ethically complex issue. Do you choose between saving lives and protecting healthcare by vaccinating the 50+, or do you try and control the spread. There isn't enough vaccine to do both. And you have to choose. He does not have the wisdom of Solomon. Reality is, in the event @JD1 gets covid, he may be hospitalized. That is the issue here. The twenty or thirtysomething most likely can withstand from home. But that younger fellow could spread this bitch everywhere. Tough choice.
Sorry for the rant, but I am just struggling with this as of late. I know a lot of people are. I shudder to think getting COVID now would be an incredible catastrophe for me , personally. It is a mental challenge to suppress daily.
It is very simple. Vaccinate essential workers in supermarkets, warehouses, transit and delivery workers and people who take transit to work, shut down construction sites. That's 50 thousand people in Ottawa vaccinated and it could be done in 2 days!
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I would also guess that many elderly who aren't tech savvy aren't able to access the online lists and make appointments. From what I've seen, most of the access is online, so you need internet, a printer and a phone and/or computer. A pair of older folks I have talked to had no idea they had to sign up for anything...they assumed someone would call them automatically.
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ugh...
If this pandemic has done anything, it has permanently killed any lingering faith I have in humanity.
This was supposed to be a great litmus test to show the powers that be that we are responsible and capable of having a functioning society without government overreach, red tape and controls everywhere....and we blew it. Now there will be no choice going forward but to go big government, big policing, and massive laws, red tape and restrictions, because we know our neighbors won't do the right thing for society if it's inconvenient for them.
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The AZ vaccine, which is what’s being discussed in the context of the “older people stupidly refusing it” posts is currently available to the 55-65 year old age range. I can’t believe the tech involved is a barrier to that group.
It is plain and simple the negative portrayals of AZ in terms of efficacy and safety. Neither of which are legitimate.
For what it is worth things won't be fully normal until things are normal across the country. Many people have family across the country. The more I think about it the more I'd be ok with a redirection but it would depend on what else is being asked of us. If I could count on a normal day at the beach or provincial park this summer I could live with a vaccine delay of a few months. Besides its more likely that lives would be saved this way.
Idk about 1in 5, not there so not seeing it myself
But i do know there's lots of younger 20 somethings living over there because it's cheaper while using ma and pa's address over here for official mail for things like CRA and driver's licences/plates.
I have two friends whose kids live there in these exact circumstances
And my young adult kids have friends that rent there but I've no idea if they've officially moved... one of my kids moved to Montreal and it's a pita...I'd think that most under 30s renting over there haven't "officially" moved
It is disheartening isn't it? It does seem somewhat of a litmus test how various society's reacted but im not sure i would go as far as saying this now necessitates big gov't. I think we still need more effective gov't and a better environment for it to operate. Not bigger gov't, bigger outreach, understanding, and enough respect to leave hatred and outrage behind.
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I mean humanity is messed for sure but during the early stages of the pandemic I think for the most part everybody was abiding by the "rules".
It's been over a year now and we are worse off than we were when this whole thing started going by their official numbers.
Humanity starts to deteriorate when its leaders are so fully incompetent at devising a plan.
The pandemic and how it has been handled has divided more people than it has united.
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There's been a whole lot of gaslighting go on here, blaming this situation on "neighbours" not following the rules. It's amazing how easily some people have turned on each other. The fact of the matter is, most people have been responsible. They've worn masks. They've limited social contact. They've put their lives on hold. For 14 months.
Is 100% of the population 100% compliant with every guideline? Of course not, but to suggest that we're in this position because of individual "rule-breakers" is complete crap.
The bottom line is, entire sectors of our economy were never shut down and their workers never protected: manufacturing, construction, warehousing, etc. The people who work these jobs are disproportionately lower class - living paycheque to paycheque in multi-person, multi-family households. These people do not have a choice to be "responsible".
They have rent to pay and food to put on the table. Their employers and the government are making them go to work, even if they're ill, by not providing paid sick days. So these people have to go in, do their "essential" but low paid work, and then go home to their small apartments and interact with their roommates, who, are likely in the same situation but at different workplaces.
That is the problem. We're in this situation because our government has left entire swaths of the population completely out to dry.
It's incredible to me. I know people who are sitting at home working their white-collar remote job, have made and saved more money than ever, and talk about how the problem is "people just not being responsible". Meanwhile, they get multiple Amazon deliveries every week. They never stop to think, "Hmmm... who's fulfilling those orders? Is it a $15/hour worker, with no paid sick leave, in a poorly ventilated warehouse, who lives with 3 other people that work at other warehouses, in a 900 square foot apartment because cost of living is so high?" Mind-boggling.
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Yup. When this whole thing started, it would be a gasp and judgement if I saw a Snapchat of any of my friends gathering/partying. Now, as bad as it sounds, I just shrug it off. You look at the numbers from last year this time compared to this year...I'm sorry but people are going to just give up trying. We have never had competent leadership or direction in Ontario throughout all of thus.
I don't know what I can and can't do. Several rules and statements contradict each other. I saw a video online yesterday, it said non-essential businesses are open for curbside pickup only. However, you can't leave your house for non-essential reasons - s0 what one is it?
Doug Ford refusing the feds sending the Red Cross to help made me extremely angry. I don't think anybody is happy with the vaccine situation in Canada, and it is a problem, but let's stop using peoples' lives as playing politics during this. Our healthcare system is a blink away from collapsing, nurses are exhausted mentally and physically, and we do not have the resources right now to do everything we should be doing to help slow the curve at that level. He has no problem admitting we need help by asking Alberta to send out healthcare workers, but when it's the Liberal government offering support, he plays politics and refuses help to try and make them look worse.
Then you have him announcing out of the blue that the police have the power to go rogue and pull anyone over at any time. In this climate, I can't think of a more tone deaf action to take. I didn't know he even had the power to grant this, considering it goes against Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedom. I understand we're in a pandemic but this is not the solution.
The silver lining is I think Ontario collectively hates Doug Ford, the two extremes of the spectrum hate him, so I'm hoping everyone will keep this in mind in 2022.
There is a need for rules and regulations as many people will not do the right thing, as defined legally and scientifically. Enforcement is needed to make it work. Penalties are required to teach/force misbehavers to follow the rules.
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such a diverse crowd..... what else do you think people being told they can't do something for the first time look like?
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I have no problem with people joining the "no more lockdowns" crowd and protesting or signing petitions or whatever.
As long as every single one of them will sign a contract with Ontario Public Health stating "Neither I nor any of my immediate family will be given an ICU bed under any circumstances in the next 12 weeks." (Or words to that effect.)
Implicit in the no lockdowns movement is their assumption that things they take for granted in our society -- specifically the availability of the public health system -- will continue to be true. And that is absolutely a wrong assumption (see the video posted earlier by Sens of Anarchy of the Toronto doc talking about triaging who gets an ICU bed and who does not).
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AchtzehnBaby
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This has nothing to do with punishment.
We are in a pandemic. You do what has to get done.
If someone else gets COVID sick and the infection can be traced back to a non-vaxxer, then a law suit should be laid against the perpetrator. Make those responsible pay.
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