OT: Everything COVID19 - PART 5

[Pierre from Orleans]

our response to this whole thing is royally f***ed up

Etches says our hospitals are broken...the very next day the CEO of the Ottawa Hospital feels compelled tp dispute that. From the Ottawa Citizen this week

Dr. Vera Etches says the health care system “is on the verge of collapse” from increasing COVID-19 case volume. The Ottawa chief medical officer’s frightening assertion is not in sync with the reality at The Ottawa Hospital (TOH), the city’s pre-eminent player in acute care, testing and medical support for long-term care.

The city’s main hospital is neither overwhelmed by COVID-19 cases, nor even close to it, according to president and CEO Cameron Love. Over the last few weeks there have been no more than two COVID-19 patients in intensive care at TOH at any one time, but the hospital could handle 30 to 40 such cases “with no issue whatsoever,” Love said in an interview.

Which is it? it certainly isn't confidence inspiring

Today, down the road in Kingston, changed their isolation rules from 14 days to 10 days
Kingston public health lowers self-isolation requirements for positive COVID-19 test results

idk, maybe their southern climate leads to a lessened need for isolation

There's just nothing medically consistent about this and there bloody well never has been since day one.

Just adds to the confusion on which source is reliable. These type of statements are what decides which mitigation protocols are being implemented and that we have to go through.

Get your shit right.

 

[mat_sens]

Not to mention the confusion Ford set in by saying you can gather with your family up to 10 inside for Thanksgiving. Then to go back and say you should only stay with your household.

While the guidelines still saying 10 people inside (nothing about households).

Thanksgiving has the potential to worsen this 2nd wave 10 folds

 

[GCK]

our response to this whole thing is royally f***ed up

Etches says our hospitals are broken...the very next day the CEO of the Ottawa Hospital feels compelled tp dispute that. From the Ottawa Citizen this week

Dr. Vera Etches says the health care system “is on the verge of collapse” from increasing COVID-19 case volume. The Ottawa chief medical officer’s frightening assertion is not in sync with the reality at The Ottawa Hospital (TOH), the city’s pre-eminent player in acute care, testing and medical support for long-term care.

The city’s main hospital is neither overwhelmed by COVID-19 cases, nor even close to it, according to president and CEO Cameron Love. Over the last few weeks there have been no more than two COVID-19 patients in intensive care at TOH at any one time, but the hospital could handle 30 to 40 such cases “with no issue whatsoever,” Love said in an interview.

Which is it? it certainly isn't confidence inspiring

Today, down the road in Kingston, changed their isolation rules from 14 days to 10 days
Kingston public health lowers self-isolation requirements for positive COVID-19 test results

idk, maybe their southern climate leads to a lessened need for isolation

There's just nothing medically consistent about this and there bloody well never has been since day one.

There is still not enough data for consistency. Each Public Health Unit is independent so they can have guidelines that meet their AOR specific situation. If you live in Ottawa follow OPH. As for Ottawa Hospital CEO, he is showing the hospital is prepared while OPH is using a warning about what may come as a motivator to behave properly.

 

[Stylizer1]

every swinging dick in the White House is sick... for sure he has it.

he is so pumped up with meds he doesn’t know he has it bad.

Let's see if any of them actually get sick.

 

[Sens]

Restaurant I work at is full of reservations Sunday... everyone is celebrating a Thanksgiving with us apparently

 

[Knave]

New record for Ottawa and Ontario.

 

[Stylizer1]

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths worldwide per one million population as of October 9, 2020, by country

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Looks like we're going back to stage 2 ish.

 

[Stylizer1]

So kids can't go trick or treating but they can still go to school?

 

[GCK]

So kids can't go trick or treating but they can still go to school?

One has societal value the other doesn’t. School kids also don’t go to 50 houses in packs on their way to school.

 

[Micklebot]

So kids can't go trick or treating but they can still go to school?

With school you can control and track who is exposed to who for efficient contact tracing, you can enforce symptom checking prior to coming to school, and as @GCK mentioned, it serves more of an enssential social need.

 

[Stylizer1]

It is still ridiculous. The Government could instruct people to wear gloves while coming in contact with candy, face masks. Tell families to stay on their streets or limit it to a small proximity. Social distance while going to the door. Parents would make sure of it.

Most places in Ottawa fail at most of these precautions anyways. People touch stuff in stores, don't social distance themselves.....

I could be done.

 

[Xspyrit]

It's already very hard to manage everything, I don't think the governement wants to take additional charge and risks with managing a whole country event like the Halloween. Time and ressources can be invested in more important stuff.

They already have their hands full with conspirationists, nonconformists, unconscious people and super selfish people who don't care about other's health.

You hear the government beg everyday to the population to be careful and keep their distance, to help them stop the spreading. Here we are 8 months later. Some still haven't figured out how we should stop a virus with no vaccine from spreading

And yet, you hear some people tell us how the government is acting like a dictatorship. I don't think these people are aware of what a totalitarian regime really is. I feel 100% free from where I stand, even if I wear a mask when I enter a store.

This whole thing sucks but we're organizing some kind of trick-or-treat treasure hunt in the house. Hopefully the kids enjoy it as much


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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/qanon-quebec-anti-mask-conspiracy-theory-violence-1.5726891

"A poll conducted last month for Montreal's La Presse newspaper suggested 35 per cent of the population believe mainstream media outlets are spreading false information about COVID-19; 18 per cent believe the pandemic is a tool created by governments to control them"

 

[coladin]

I am letting my neighbors know that I will have candy if they would like to trick or treat.

Enough now. They are starting to lose me. They are outdoors. They will have masks on. I will have masks on. I will Purell. I will deliver them using my freaking pool net, extended to 12 ft FFS. The constant scolding, treating everyone like children, when the science supports trick or treating with COVID protocols, now they are bordering into controlling people for the sake of having the ability to do so. They better rethink their strategy and advise adults on how to trick or treat safely.

The COVID alert app classifies an exposure of being within 6ft for 15minutes, and your phone will register a potential "exposire". When was the last time a trick or treat event lasted more than 30 seconds? Enough

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Covid lasts up to 28 days on plastic...

What is candy wrapped in again?

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

Covid lasts up to 28 days on plastic...

What is candy wrapped in again?

That’s also in a lab setting, with no one using disinfectant. When’s the last time a car ever got the gas mileage the manufacturer said it did? A lab presents ideal conditions that aren’t real world.

I just don’t really understand why kids can’t trick or treat when there’s certainly worse things in terms of spread that people are allowed to do. The mixed messaging has me confused

 

[Fandlauer]

Schools are open because shutting them down is a loser politically. Let's face it, working or not, many parents these days cherish every minute their children aren't in their homes. Instead we close down a bunch of businesses like movie theaters which have pretty much no responsibility for the spread whatsoever. This whole thing has become a joke. As soon as we went from "masks won't help at all" to "wear masks during intercourse" I checked out.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

That’s also in a lab setting, with no one using disinfectant. When’s the last time a car ever got the gas mileage the manufacturer said it did? A lab presents ideal conditions that aren’t real world.

I just don’t really understand why kids can’t trick or treat when there’s certainly worse things in terms of spread that people are allowed to do. The mixed messaging has me confused

I agree 100% and kids are at school... so what's the difference.

Just some people will definitely will be at increased risk from a bunch of kid going to the door. not every person is going to have a 6' long pipe to deliver candy.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

2020 really sucks. I’m not sure I want to live in a world with no Halloween and no all you can eat chinese buffets.

 

[coladin]

Covid lasts up to 28 days on plastic...

What is candy wrapped in again?

Dr, Sharkawy dispelled that probability

 

[Xspyrit]

I am letting my neighbors know that I will have candy if they would like to trick or treat.

Enough now. They are starting to lose me. They are outdoors. They will have masks on. I will have masks on. I will Purell. I will deliver them using my freaking pool net, extended to 12 ft FFS. The constant scolding, treating everyone like children, when the science supports trick or treating with COVID protocols, now they are bordering into controlling people for the sake of having the ability to do so. They better rethink their strategy and advise adults on how to trick or treat safely.

The COVID alert app classifies an exposure of being within 6ft for 15minutes, and your phone will register a potential "exposire". When was the last time a trick or treat event lasted more than 30 seconds? Enough

Problem is you can't just assume that everyone is responsible and/or reasonnable enough. Leaving the door open just gives the opportunity to some people for licking each others in big halloween parties. That's the thing, normal people will always have to pay idiots' bills.

It's like car or house insurance, the bill gets higher because of thieves or people who are careless when driving (+ alcohol, drug, etc)

Imagine if we approached the pandemic like they did in Sweden, do you think it would have went well? Heck, there's a growing number of people who believe it's a conspiracy for 5G towers or micro-chips or government control, etc. In the article I quoted, according to the survey, 23% of people thought the virus was fabricated in a laboratory, a theory rejected by scientists who have studied the genetic code of the virus and determined it was not manipulated

You just can't leave people's health and security into these people's hands. We can't really live a "normal" life until the virus disappeared or is treatable. Because even if you think "it's over", it can come back at you really fast. See what happened this summer back onto the 2nd wave. There was a sense of "looseness"

 

[JD1]

Schools are open because shutting them down is a loser politically. Let's face it, working or not, many parents these days cherish every minute their children aren't in their homes. Instead we close down a bunch of businesses like movie theaters which have pretty much no responsibility for the spread whatsoever. This whole thing has become a joke. As soon as we went from "masks won't help at all" to "wear masks during intercourse" I checked out.

Schools are open for two reasons
1. Children need to be educated
2. It was pretty evident that any form of expaned online alternative model was a non starter for teacher unions

A news article today said 84 of 58000 kids in a local school board tested positive since the return to school. And being young, I suspect most of them have had very limited covid symptoms. All we read is headline after headline of a school kid getting covid. When you see the actual numbers it's pretty low. And that's of course indoors.

But Halloween is not safe.

 

[coladin]

Problem is you can't just assume that everyone is responsible and/or reasonnable enough. Leaving the door open just gives the opportunity to some people for licking each others in big halloween parties. That's the thing, normal people will always have to pay idiots' bills.

It's like car or house insurance, the bill gets higher because of thieves or people who are careless when driving (+ alcohol, drug, etc)

Imagine if we approached the pandemic like they did in Sweden, do you think it would have went well? Heck, there's a growing number of people who believe it's a conspiracy for 5G towers or micro-chips or government control, etc. In the article I quoted, according to the survey, 23% of people thought the virus was fabricated in a laboratory, a theory rejected by scientists who have studied the genetic code of the virus and determined it was not manipulated

You just can't leave people's health and security into these people's hands.

I'm not talking about parties, though. I am talking about trick or treating , in the tradition that we all know

 

[milkbag]

Schools are open for two reasons
1. Children need to be educated
2. It was pretty evident that any form of expaned online alternative model was a non starter for teacher unions

A news article today said 84 of 58000 kids in a local school board tested positive since the return to school. And being young, I suspect most of them have had very limited covid symptoms. All we read is headline after headline of a school kid getting covid. When you see the actual numbers it's pretty low. And that's of course indoors.

But Halloween is not safe.

Whats the difference between handing candy out of a door or handing a bag of food out of a window?

Halloween is perfectly fine, imo, if its done safely. Maintain social distance and add a mask to your costume, they already are used to wearing one at school/on the bus. Kids are already suffering enough socially, im sure we can make an exception for a single night and not be wiped out.