Value of: Everyone on the Islanders

[Diablo2020]

Minnesota doesn’t have Joe Veleno and I’m passing on that for Bo Horvat.

Shai Buium.

Hes the Raty to Beauvillier's Veleno

 

[miscs75]

Shai Buium.

Hes the Raty to Beauvillier's Veleno

Isles pass on every deal you’ve posted. Offering picks and cap dumps with term (on LTIR) with mid level prospects just doesn’t do it. They go into a 5+ year rebuild with no younger veterans on the roster.

 

[Diablo2020]

Isles pass on every deal you’ve posted. Offering picks and cap dumps with term (on LTIR) with mid level prospects just doesn’t do it. They go into a 5+ year rebuild with no younger veterans on the roster.

The entire team as constructed should burn everything to the ground and only leave their one viable prospect standing in Cole Eiserman, yes.

Thats the idea. Maximize value by adding a few 3 yr cap dumps while you burn it all down yup.

No one is giving back 23 yr old blossoming players for that slew of 30+ players sorry.

 

[iggy]

Islanders don't need a total rebuild
Barzal------Horvat-----xxxx
Duclair-----Nelson----xxxxx
Tsypakov---xxxxxx-----xxxxx
Holmstrom--MacLean-Cizikas

Dobson---Romanov
Pulock------xxxxxx
Mayfield ---xxxxxx


Sorokin
xxxxxxx

Rumor has it that the Islanders are in on current leading KHL scorer Shabanov. Kid is small but tons of skill. Possibility.
Bottom 6 players can be had for picks. Find players that can kill penalties.

Trades or free agents for 2 top 6 players. Ehlers and Marner examples.

At the deadline trade:
Pageau for anything with some retention.
Lee for anything with some retention.
Palmieri for a 1st
Pelech for a 1st
Engvall for anything with retention or just waive again.
Use picks to fill in the blanks.

Eiserman and Danny Nelson on the way.

Fire Lou
Get a creative GM to make the above happen.

Hopefully get in the top 5 of the 2025 draft.
Try again next season.

 

[miscs75]

The entire team as constructed should burn everything to the ground and only leave their one viable prospect standing in Cole Eiserman, yes.

Thats the idea. Maximize value by adding a few 3 yr cap dumps while you burn it all down yup.

No one is giving back 23 yr old blossoming players for that slew of 30+ players sorry.

Barzal and Dobson are 30+. Man does time fly. You’re essentially trying to piece the isles off for garbage cap hits, mid-late 1sts and in some cases mid-low tier prospects. Teams have given up more for rentals of lower end players at the trade deadline.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Fire Lou, and all the problems will be solved.

 

[Brew]

And in the gusty wind of New York, a faint whistle of, “We DoN’t NeEd YoU!” can be heard.

 

[BHFAN92]

Barzal would look amazing next to Bedard and Teravainen

 

[Diablo2020]

Barzal and Dobson are 30+. Man does time fly. You’re essentially trying to piece the isles off for garbage cap hits, mid-late 1sts and in some cases mid-low tier prospects. Teams have given up more for rentals of lower end players at the trade deadline.

Two out of the 9 I sold off are under 29 yes sorry.

Barzal I traded for four 1sts and no cap dumps, only because Hawks could actually do that tomorrow.

Cizikas and Dobson 6.5m = Krug 6.5m

Pelech and Pulock 11.9m = Price 10.5m

Sorokin 8.25m = Ellis and Fedotov 9.775m

Salary had to be swapped somehow and those teams are not going to want to give up actual NHL salaries sorry.

You could demand a Jimmy Snuggerud, Oliver Bonk, Logan Maillioux, ect from these teams all you want but those prospects never get traded.

Beauvillier, Raty and a 1st type packages are more likely.

Burn it to the ground, use all those picks at the draft to restock every position.

 

[FerrisRox]

First isles fans hate on Tavares even though isles management built the worst roster around him and he still made matt moulson look like a legit nhl player

How about a little context?

Islanders fans hate John Tavares because he screwed over the entire fanbase. He said he was eager to sign an extension and didn't want to leave Long Island throughout his final season with the team.

The deadline came and went, with Tavares not being moved, because, again, he said its was his intention to stay with the Islanders.

Then, when free agency came... he signed with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Had he been honest and upfront and said he might explore free agency, he would have been dealt at the deadline and the team would have received, at the very least, a top young prospect and at least a first round draft pick.

Instead, they received nothing at all.

The fans in New York have every reason to hate John Tavares, and it has everything to do with John Tavares, not the management team.

 

[miscs75]

Two out of the 9 I sold off are under 29 yes sorry.

Barzal I traded for four 1sts and no cap dumps, only because Hawks could actually do that tomorrow.

Cizikas and Dobson 6.5m = Krug 6.5m

Pelech and Pulock 11.9m = Price 10.5m

Sorokin 8.25m = Ellis and Fedotov 9.775m

Salary had to be swapped somehow and those teams are not going to want to give up actual NHL salaries sorry.

You could demand a Jimmy Snuggerud, Oliver Bonk, Logan Maillioux, ect from these teams all you want but those prospects never get traded.

Beauvillier, Raty and a 1st type packages are more likely.

Burn it to the ground, use all those picks at the draft to restock every position.

The problem is that you’re having the Isles take on just picks for most of the deals and the cap dump (which is on LTIR). Thus essentially creating massive holes in the roster that would make the team ECHL tier (for atleast 5 seasons) aand knowing how the draft lottery goes they’d be terrible and still only get the 4th overall pick. Having a boatload of picks is great but if they can’t develop properly you’re left with a bunch of draft busts.

 

[Barsky]

You need stability in certain positions/roles in order to properly conduct a rebuild.

Look at San Jose as an example of what NOT to do…

Umm, not sure you understand what a full rebuild is, cause SJ is doing it right. Tear it down to the ground, burn the remains and piss on the ashes. Lottery picks are what a rebuild is about, only way to get the Celebrini's of the world

 

[Napoli]

Is Barzal actually/potentially available?

What's it taking to bring him to Columbus?

 

[miscs75]

Is Barzal actually/potentially available?

What's it taking to bring him to Columbus?

A 7pm EST puck drop tonight.

 

[seafoam]

A 7pm EST puck drop tonight.

He also has a 22 team No Trade list.

 

[Diablo2020]

The problem is that you’re having the Isles take on just picks for most of the deals and the cap dump (which is on LTIR). Thus essentially creating massive holes in the roster that would make the team ECHL tier (for atleast 5 seasons) aand knowing how the draft lottery goes they’d be terrible and still only get the 4th overall pick. Having a boatload of picks is great but if they can’t develop properly you’re left with a bunch of draft busts.

My thinking is this.

If its a slow teardown.. Sorokin, Barzal, Horvat ect all keep the team in the purgatory mushy middle where you'll draft 10th overall lottery luck be damned..

Start of the season, every team up against the cap, will require taking bad players and bad deals..

You can demand Snuggerud's Bonk's Maillioux's (my own projection of asks as examples) and make it harder and longer to find partners or just draft them yourselves (#22, #23, #31 for reference)..

You can avoid the LTIR cases and try to finagle 5m Farabee types into the equation instead lowering your value recieved..

Or you can full blown blow it up, be the first to market with your players, and accept your fate as a dumping ground.

Lets say Eiserman signs at years end. Krug's 6.5m expires at the same time Eiserman starts his 2nd contract. Thats the type of timing that can make or break the future.

Spend it on a UFA to fill a gap and bridge him.
Or
Give him the 7x7 everyone else seems to get.

Hopefully Isles would have 10 Eiserman's at that time with this years blowup.

Hopefully they'd draft 4th overall instead of 10th this June.

The boatload of picks would only start playing their 1st NHL games when Price's 10.5 expires for example. Maybe sign that years Chandler Stephenson as a vet when the time comes.

 

[miscs75]

He also has a 22 team No Trade list.

That too. Columbus isn’t too bad of a place to live though from all my trips out there. Dublin is a nice town that’s similar to the rich towns on the Island.

 

[miscs75]

My thinking is this.

If its a slow teardown.. Sorokin, Barzal, Horvat ect all keep the team in the purgatory mushy middle where you'll draft 10th overall lottery luck be damned..

Start of the season, every team up against the cap, will require taking bad players and bad deals..

You can demand Snuggerud's Bonk's Maillioux's (my own projection of asks as examples) and make it harder and longer to find partners or just draft them yourselves (#22, #23, #31 for reference)..

You can avoid the LTIR cases and try to finagle 5m Farabee types into the equation instead lowering your value recieved..

Or you can full blown blow it up, be the first to market with your players, and accept your fate as a dumping ground.

Lets say Eiserman signs at years end. Krug's 6.5m expires at the same time Eiserman starts his 2nd contract. Thats the type of timing that can make or break the future.

Spend it on a UFA to fill a gap and bridge him.
Or
Give him the 7x7 everyone else seems to get.

Hopefully Isles would have 10 Eiserman's at that time with this years blowup.

Hopefully they'd draft 4th overall instead of 10th this June.

The boatload of picks would only start playing their 1st NHL games when Price's 10.5 expires for example. Maybe sign that years Chandler Stephenson as a vet when the time comes.

The issue comes with this. By your theory, the Isles move out everyone who’s higher end on the roster and get 4-5 1st round picks the next 2 drafts combined. All of those 1st rounders are in the mid-late 20s. Developing them with absolutely no veteran high end talent to surround these players is an absolute disaster and doesn’t go well. Then you add in the roster garbage like Ellis and Krug just eats up cap space that can be used to help actually make the team better.

 

[squashmaple]

Is Barzal actually/potentially available?

What's it taking to bring him to Columbus?

I wish. He is buddies with KJ and Christiansen, but he's also a big baby who wants to pretend he's hot shit in NYC and he can't have that in Columbus. If he was settled down and starting a family, sure. But he's not.

 

[Diablo2020]

The issue comes with this. By your theory, the Isles move out everyone who’s higher end on the roster and get 4-5 1st round picks the next 2 drafts combined. All of those 1st rounders are in the mid-late 20s. Developing them with absolutely no veteran high end talent to surround these players is an absolute disaster and doesn’t go well. Then you add in the roster garbage like Ellis and Krug just eats up cap space that can be used to help actually make the team better.

I dont think you understand the state of your team.

The captain of the Islanders might not be around long enough to play a game with Cole Eiserman.

Maybe 7 games in April 2025. Maybe none as he's likely dealt before February 2025.

The entire "veteran high end talent" is on its absolute last legs and the two best pieces are even UFA to be this year.

As a Canuck fan, let me tell you something for free. "Veteran high end talent to develop young players" is not Bowie Horvat.

The roster garbage would all expire the same time Oliver Moore needs a RFA contract, if he signed this April and burned a year.

Maybe use the 22.5m from Lee, Pageau, Price to grab some UFA vets that year?

Maybe use the 13m from Ellis, Krug to grab some ufa vets that year?

 

[My3Sons]

Only fans who are uninformed or in denial believe what you wrote. The last legit 1st line wing the Isles have had was Ziggy Palffy. Since then they've had more inept/fake owners than legit 1st lines.

Lou is bleeding this team down to the bone. A rebuild is necessary (even though a patch of fans can't face it), and the longer Lou is GM the longer it will take to get this team back to contention.

This reads a lot like a NJ fan post from 2014. The team couldn’t really start again until they took the keys away from Lou. If he’s the GM there will not be a rebuild. Maybe some retooling but vets won’t likely get sold unless the team is firmly out of a playoff spot at the deadline. Even then it’s maybe only expiring get contracts.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Mayfield to the Oilers please! Although...that NTC probably blocks that.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The assets you’re offering just don’t move the needle though. Starting with a 2nd and adding filler pieces isn’t even comparable to what similar centers have gone for. Elias Lindholm and Bo Horvat deals are what I’m thinking Brock would easily return.


Minnesota doesn’t have Joe Veleno and I’m passing on that for Bo Horvat.

I fully acknowledge you'll do better elsewhere.

NYI have a lot of assets that other teams would like.

 

[Green]

Is Barzal actually/potentially available?

What's it taking to bring him to Columbus?

unfortunately probably not, team will continue to try and fight for that 8th seed as a goal than in 4 years when the team will truly hit a wall and decide to start the rebuild they will begin to sell the pieces for a fraction of what they could get if they sell them now, when Lou made the Horvat trade 2 years ago I predicted he just ruined the franchise for the next decade and now I predict it is longer than that

 

[miscs75]

I dont think you understand the state of your team.

The captain of the Islanders might not be around long enough to play a game with Cole Eiserman.

Maybe 7 games in April 2025. Maybe none as he's likely dealt before February 2025.

The entire "veteran high end talent" is on its absolute last legs and the two best pieces are even UFA to be this year.

As a Canuck fan, let me tell you something for free. "Veteran high end talent to develop young players" is not Bowie Horvat.

The roster garbage would all expire the same time Oliver Moore needs a RFA contract, if he signed this April and burned a year.

Maybe use the 22.5m from Lee, Pageau, Price to grab some UFA vets that year?

Maybe use the 13m from Ellis, Krug to grab some ufa vets that year?

The problem comes down to all these filler pieces you’re offering, not the picks itself. Offering a massive cap dump like Ellis, Krug, Gallagher will warrant more than just a 1st for the ask from the Isles. They’re all big cap dumps with term. Even if the Isles take Carey Prices’ cap in return that’s still a piece on LTIR that they need to essentially utilize the vacant cap space from in order to still get to the floor.
Based on the actual roster construction, it’s more of a retool team than a complete rebuild.