Player Discussion Evander Kane

[Zerotonine]

The LTIR loophole is gonna get closed so fast when Kane recovers for game 1 of the playoffs now

This 1000 percent ...
this will be the year its fixed and will NOT be allowed. Id bet the house on it. And edmonton will end up being penalized some way or another for even trying it

 

[bucks_oil]

It would make me feel good if a doctor came out and said Kane's projected return was Feb-March so we had some kind of paper trail

It needs to be April… he would have to be out the whole regular season, not just until the deadline.

But we are in pretty good shape. We actually don’t need to put him on LTIR. We simply IR him and accrue the $950K that we have available (which includes Kane being active on the cap).

Then that 950K becomes $4.5 at the deadline… we can add a good player.

If at the deadline it looks likely that Kane won’t be ready until the playoffs, we LTIR him then… let the NHL look over the records, get satisfied and THEN add a 2nd player at the deadline…

And finally, Kane comes back for round two (just so it doesn’t look too obvious)

 

[Mr Positive]

It needs to be April… he would have to be out the whole regular season, not just until the deadline.

But we are in pretty good shape. We actually don’t need to put him on LTIR. We simply IR him and accrue the $950K that we have available (which includes Kane being active on the cap).

Then that 950K becomes $4.5 at the deadline… we can add a good player.

If at the deadline it looks likely that Kane won’t be ready until the playoffs, we LTIR him then… let the NHL look over the records, get satisfied and THEN add a 2nd player at the deadline…

And finally, Kane comes back for round two (just so it doesn’t look too obvious)

I don't see why we should try to make it less obvious

Besides, there will be no pretending. We will just say that he is getting extra rehab and training, and that there is no sense in him playing in meaningless games. As long as Kane says that those regular season games are not worth the health risk to himself, it's legit. He comes back round 1, game 1

Or, we do what Tampa did and have someone go on LTIR to swap with him, to rest a nagging injury.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

It needs to be April… he would have to be out the whole regular season, not just until the deadline.

But we are in pretty good shape. We actually don’t need to put him on LTIR. We simply IR him and accrue the $950K that we have available (which includes Kane being active on the cap).

Then that 950K becomes $4.5 at the deadline… we can add a good player.

If at the deadline it looks likely that Kane won’t be ready until the playoffs, we LTIR him then… let the NHL look over the records, get satisfied and THEN add a 2nd player at the deadline…

And finally, Kane comes back for round two (just so it doesn’t look too obvious)

Id prefer Kane come back for game 1, just to see what the NHL would do.

Make it as obvious as possible.

 

[Broberg Speed]

If Kane goes on LTIR and the team knows he's staying there until the playoffs the Oilers are pulling the trigger on a Ristolainen deal with Philadelphia retaining 1.1M making Risto a 4M cap hit for 3 years. Kulak and a bunch of futures to the Flyers.

And some clearly don't understand if Kane goes on IR the Oilers don't magically accumulate more cap space for the deadline. They accumulate the exact same amount as they would if Kane was healthy for day one of the season.

 

[bucks_oil]

I don't see why we should try to make it less obvious

Besides, there will be no pretending. We will just say that he is getting extra rehab and training, and that there is no sense in him playing in meaningless games. As long as Kane says that those regular season games are not worth the health risk to himself, it's legit. He comes back round 1, game 1

Or, we do what Tampa did and have someone go on LTIR to swap with him, to rest a nagging injury.

Hmm.... I definitely like the latter if we can swing it. If we put together the type of regular season that we should, a guy like McD or Drai taking a two week break before the playoffs would be great. I'm just not sure what the standard is for LTIR... how do you demonstrate "long term"?

 

[bucks_oil]

If Kane goes on LTIR and the team knows he's staying there until the playoffs the Oilers are pulling the trigger on a Ristolainen deal with Philadelphia retaining 1.1M making Risto a 4M cap hit for 3 years. Kulak and a bunch of futures to the Flyers.

And some clearly don't understand if Kane goes on IR the Oilers don't magically accumulate more cap space for the deadline. They accumulate the exact same amount as they would if Kane was healthy for day one of the season.

The last paragraph is wrong, or at least not clear.

First two lay term definitions:

IR = Injured reserve, usually used for short term, the player still counts against your cap, you don't get any extra space, but you can accrue any natural cap savings that you have.

LTIR = Long Term Injured Reserve, is as it sounds... the player still counts against the cap BUT you also get a buffer amount equivalent to their salary that you can spend above the cap. But only until the player comes back. You also do not get credit for any cap savings that you have (since you've already been given this buffer overage)

If Kane DOES NOT go on LTIR (instead goes on IR): then we CAN accumulate cap space. We are currently $945K below the cap. If we still have that $945 saved up at the deadline, then it equates to $4.5M in annual salary... so we can add a decent big fish.

If Kane DOES go on LTIR: then we CANNOT accumulate cap space for the deadline. We CAN replace Kane's $5.1M in a dollar for dollar way (we essentially are allowed to work within a cap of $88M + $5.1M = $93.1M but ONLY until Kane comes back... when he comes back we need to be cap compliant at $88M so whatever player we replaced him with needs to be gone). That $945K doesn't accrue and grow for the deadline since you are not allowed to accrue your extra space if you are making use of LTIR.

However there is a third option:

1) DO NOT put Kane on LTIR: accrue that $945 until Feb and make a splash... add a $4.5M player.
2) AFTER you acquire the player, it if seems likely Kane is still out till playoffs THEN put him on LTIR to gain $5.1M extra space. Now you can go out and get a 2nd player at the deadline.
3) This is a best of both worlds situation... since we don't NEED to LTIR Kane, then we shouldn't since it let's us accrue that $945K until the deadline... It lets us add a $4.5M player AND a $5.1M player.

 

[North]

As long as there are doctor’s reports indicating Kane can’t come back, the NHL are hooped.

They will definitely want to close that loophole though if a Canadian team takes advantage of it.

 

[Mr Positive]

As long as there are doctor’s reports indicating Kane can’t come back, the NHL are hooped.

They will definitely want to close that loophole though if a Canadian team takes advantage of it.

They want to close the loophole anyway. But, it isn't. Kane's injury is real though, and any rehab he wants or doesn't want to do is his personal choice. Also btw we aren't guilty of using a loophole until we put Kane on LTIR and use his cap space. We might not even do that if we accrue enough space.

My idea for this is that we have a loose cap in the playoffs. We have a cap but it only applies to who is dressed for that game. That let's teams who would default otherwise stay okay