Evander Kane suspended 2 games for boarding

[MISC*]

No team has 2nd men jump in to fight more than the Jets.

Then they complain when 2 players rough up one if there's.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Actually, it IS up to the ref. The rule explicitly says they have wide latitude in determining which penalties to apply using the fighting rule. You can argue they didn't apply the rule correctly, but you can't say they don't actually have the power to do exactly what they did, because they do.



This situation also fits the discussion for roughing.



While I agree with most that Stoner deserved 5, this situation was called entirely within the rules as written. And, in practice, it's pretty typical that when someone throws a major penalty and a beat down scrum ensues that the refs make sure that the team with the knucklehead winds up shorthanded.

I've long wondered why the NHL no longer calls double minors for roughing. It used to be called on a semi-frequent basis in those situations, now I see that roughing is no longer an infraction that can be assessed a double minor.

 

[Derfel*]

No team has 2nd men jump in to fight more than the Jets.

Then they complain when 2 players rough up one if there's.

Video links of these events?

 

[Hank Chinaski]

No team has 2nd men jump in to fight more than the Jets.

Then they complain when 2 players rough up one if there's.

Citation needed.

Bogosian skating in to fight Holzer a few years back is the only example I can think of.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

No team has 2nd men jump in to fight more than the Jets.

Then they complain when 2 players rough up one if there's.

I assume you mean scrums and not drop gloves fights, right?

 

[winnipegger]

Maybe this will be a turning point for Kane. I think he considers himself a superstar and there really isn't much to merit that. He's quickly becoming a glorified 3rd line checker.

Probably not worth 2 I would have said 1 is fine. Even if it was 1, he's hurting the team which is already missing key players.

 

[Koonta]

What would have happened if one of those punches that Stoner was throwing landed directly into Kane's face injuring him severely, broken jaw, fractured cheekbone, etc because Kane wasn't able to defend himself because of the other player. Would that be a suspension then? it sure as heck should be.

 

[Hobby Bull]

Interesting.

Listening to the justification on the Nhl site, the dialogue is clearly not objective, and instead stretches to justify the department's decision.

It would be interesting in the future to hold up this example to compare with future suspensions/non-suspensions.

 

[Yzlamic Preacher*]

Stupid hit. Kane shouldn't have made it. Strange how bunch of the Jets fans are focusing on the fact that he got suspended instead of the fact that Kane skated across the ice staring at a guys back to hit him in the back. That is a special kind of stupid.

And to all the people complaining about consistency of the NHL on this, all I can say is does it actually shock you?

 

[a Fool]

It would be interesting in the future to hold up this example to compare with future suspensions/non-suspensions.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say there wont be any consistency. Just a gut feeling.

 

[tucker22*]

Actually, it IS up to the ref. The rule explicitly says they have wide latitude in determining which penalties to apply using the fighting rule. You can argue they didn't apply the rule correctly, but you can't say they don't actually have the power to do exactly what they did, because they do.



This situation also fits the discussion for roughing.



While I agree with most that Stoner deserved 5, this situation was called entirely within the rules as written. And, in practice, it's pretty typical that when someone throws a major penalty and a beat down scrum ensues that the refs make sure that the team with the knucklehead winds up shorthanded.

I love it when people that I am sure never played the game are experts in the game cause they pull up the rule book. Check out what Kerry Fraser said about it..... refs made the wrong call.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/kerry-fraser-1.88470

 

[Romang67]

No team has 2nd men jump in to fight more than the Jets.

Then they complain when 2 players rough up one if there's.

Sounds like a lie to me. I'm sure you will back this up though.

 

[Koonta]

Stupid hit. Kane shouldn't have made it. Strange how bunch of the Jets fans are focusing on the fact that he got suspended instead of the fact that Kane skated across the ice staring at a guys back to hit him in the back. That is a special kind of stupid.

And to all the people complaining about consistency of the NHL on this, all I can say is does it actually shock you?

As if you would not be complaining if a player on your favourite team got suspended double the amount of similar suspensions while having no prior history with this kind of hit where there was no injury to boot. 1 game sure but 2 games is excessive.

 

[HOLDITHERE*]

As much as I loved seeing Kane get punched in the face repeatedly, Stoner definitely deserves a game or two for that.

Kane's is easily deserved.

 

[CherryToke]

I wonder if Pronger playing for the Ducks had anything to do with this decision. #conflictofinterest

 

[Classicnamesup]

Deserves the suspension, IMO so does Stoner.

 

[Yzlamic Preacher*]

As if you would not be complaining if a player on your favourite team got suspended double the amount of similar suspensions while having no prior history with this kind of hit where there was no injury to boot. 1 game sure but 2 games is excessive.

I would more focus that a player on my favourite team was stupid enough to take that hit. I understand one thing about the NHL that is definite. This league is very inconsistent and none of the judgements or calls ever make sense. I save myself the heartache from trying to make sense of the disciplinary actions they take. I would be more worried that a player who is supposed to put pucks in the net and be a leader on my team decided to make such a idiotic hit. Like I said, a special kind of stupid.

 

[Whileee]

The NHL's job is to be objective and consistent. That's why they pay people specifically to review these.

I think that this hit was penalized beyond the norm based on past practice, so unless the NHL has now decided to set a new standard, it is inconsistent.

I predict that it will now be a "benchmark" example for fans and future hits will be compared to Kane's hit with comments like "if Kane's hit got 2 games, this hit deserves xxxx". I wonder if the NHL will really start using this as a standard for future suspensions.

If the result is not the issue, then MacKinnon's elbow to the head of Perreault was as deliberate and dangerous as this. He was clearly frustrated and targeted Perreault's head against the glass with an elbow at high speed.

 

[1rd]

It was a cheap hit, but don't think it deserved a suspension.. 5 minutes seems enough for that.

 

[Sojourn]

I've long wondered why the NHL no longer calls double minors for roughing. It used to be called on a semi-frequent basis in those situations, now I see that roughing is no longer an infraction that can be assessed a double minor.

I agree. If the referee didn't want to call it a fight, because of the obvious implications, I can understand that. I've always been a proponent of giving the referees some flexibility in situations like this, because some calls become automatic when certain conditions are met, and at times that means an automatic 5 and a game misconduct. If the referee thinks he deserves to be, fine, but sometimes it seems like the referee doesn't want to toss a guy, and I have no problem with the referee making that decision. It's one of the reasons he's out there, IMO. But Stoner coming in and swinging like that is, to me, clearly not just two minutes. Especially when Vatanen is already there, putting Kane in a more vulnerable position. I felt, at the time, and still do now, that Stoner's actions were worth more than 2. Maybe not worth 5, but certainly worth more than two.

That entire game was a bit frustrating. It just felt like there was no consistency, and even the players didn't seem to know what was going to be called. I guess the good news is that it was inconsistent for both teams, but that's not much of a positive.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Pretty stupid hit.

 

[duckaroosky]

I love it when people that I am sure never played the game are experts in the game cause they pull up the rule book. Check out what Kerry Fraser said about it..... refs made the wrong call.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/kerry-fraser-1.88470

Someone should inform Mr. Fraser there is no such thing as a double minor for roughing (anymore) and I have no idea who Vartanen is. But thanks for the classic "hmph you OBVIOUSLY don't play hockey" response, was waiting for that to come up.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Comparable hit, no supplementary, I believe there was a 2 minute minor called on the play.

 

[Koonta]

I would more focus that a player on my favourite team was stupid enough to take that hit. I understand one thing about the NHL that is definite. This league is very inconsistent and none of the judgements or calls ever make sense. I save myself the heartache from trying to make sense of the disciplinary actions they take. I would be more worried that a player who is supposed to put pucks in the net and be a leader on my team decided to make such a idiotic hit. Like I said, a special kind of stupid.

Sorry but I find it hard to believe you that you wouldn't be upset with the length of suspension if the same set of circumstances were present in terms of no prior history and no injury. Anyway I am also not giving a break to Kane here at all and I'm pretty sure alot of Jets fans are not either, The hit was stupid no question but I think one game would've been enough. I agree with you however that there is no rhyme or reason to D.O.P.S decisions at all.

Anyway it is what it is and we'll have to move on

 

[jungles]

Here is the explanation for Lowry's:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=741268

The description from the NHL is almost identical in language, plus Lowry's ends up with an "injury" to Kaleta (whereas Stoner does not according to the NHL).

Lowry: 1 game
Kane: 2 games

Makes zero sense.