Player Discussion Evan Bouchard

Bryanbryoil

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My point stands. When you've rotated every D pair you have just to try to shelter Bouchard in own zone, and none of it has worked over multiple years the problem displays itself to be pretty immense and not something where we can just airlift a quality of D in here to get her done.

I only hope the Org hasn't wrecked Bouchard already. Defensively its looking like that. I see a player absolutely lost and drowning in own end. Bouchard is overwhelmed. Gets in your head shellshock does. He's hearing incoming and bombs going off. He's got the 200yard stare. ;)
Nurse is a rover, Kulak is a 3rd pairing LD, Niemelainen is a rookie 3LD, Murray is barely hanging onto a NHL career at this point. If Bouchard is in the long term plans here we need a steady partner for him.
 

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Nurse is a rover, Kulak is a 3rd pairing LD, Niemelainen is a rookie 3LD, Murray is barely hanging onto a NHL career at this point. If Bouchard is in the long term plans here we need a steady partner for him.
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Agreed with your post. Just no easy answers and No Quarter. Another one. ;)
 

JustNapalmIt

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He's never going to be a good defensive player, think people just need to accept that. Like since when was that even in his scouting report in his draft year?
I remember when this board flipped out on Button for saying, in an otherwise largely positive commentary, what Bouchards shortcomings are (largely intensity/his very low give a shit meter). Which are the EXACT same ones we see today.
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Skar

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The only upside to Bouchard's (early) struggles this season is that his contract and up and he should come fairly cheap this off-season.
I'm going to predict he starts to absolutely light it up near the end of the season - playoffs if we make it, and ends up demanding a huge payout. Only to shit the bed in the proceeding seasons.
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I'm going to predict he starts to absolutely light it up near the end of the season - playoffs if we make it, and ends up demanding a huge payout. Only to shit the bed in the proceeding seasons.
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Development is not linear.

Pulj is a better depth forward than you credit with decent defensive IQ and just needs to accept he isnt a top 6 forward, get himself a shorter stick, and maybe this next offseason work on his puck handling and offensive skills rather than just hitting the gym.

Yama is what he is. Dealing with concussion issues and a tiny tiny body for the NHL he was always going to have limited effectiveness at the NHL level. Both him and JP need to realize their limitations and work towards being effective despite them. When healthy you can do worse than Yama as #2/3 RW and Pulj as a #3/4 RW but without a surprising significant growth in their games neither are going to be "worth" much, or be impact players. You still need solid players in your line-up and both Yama and JP "could" be that and were last year as a quick easy example.

See sentence at the top. Bouchard is improving defensively. Is surprising struggling a bit offensively. He has far less than the standard 200+ games under his belt. You typically dont know what you have in a defensman until they pass that mark and/or hit 28ish. Bouchard still easily has top pairing upside. Will he get their? who knows, but even this year it is apparent he is a top 4 defender already and that is nothing to sneeze at.

Broberg shouldn't reach the heights many here predicted. He was a reach where we drafted him. And while his development has been slow and relatively uninspiring, it has still been there. I am not expecting anything but it is still too early to write him off with what he has shown to date. I don't know how you don't temper your expectations after what I would consider a very weak training camp this year but you also dont write him off.

Holloway is a blank slate. I, and most others, thoughts he would be way better at the NHL level but making the jump to the NHL is very difficult and the mistakes he is making are traditional rookie mistakes. He easily could become great from what we have seen to date or he could wash out of the league all together.

As surprising as it is I don't believe Edmonton is drafting that poorly. I think it is more seeing the success of a few players in other organizations that makes us feel this way.

McDavid is McDavid but Leon, even for those like me that thought he had chance to be the best player in the draft, never saw him being quite likely the second best player on the planet...

Nurse has his flaws but IMo has covered the spread on his draft position and then some.

Even Nuge for being a first overall isn't as bad as some make out. Nail Yakupov actually managed 350 NHL games before washing out and Magnus 467.

I am guessing to some extent, but believe if you look at games played for first round picks the Oilers are likely above the league average over the last 20 years.

Now the second round and on I am almost certain we have to be below league average.
Oilers do draft poorly.
All impact players are drafted top 10. Exception is Puljujärvi, who isnt an impact player. And Broberg.
I like that they dont throw in Broberg as they did with Pulju (stupid, he was 18, and not familiar with english). I actually feel bad for Jesse there.

Yamamoto was not a right pick, if you draft a limited, narrow shot pick.
Could had just trade off for a roosterplayer in a weak draft. It isnt easy to find Robertson, other teams missed out on him as well.

McLeod is the only find oilers got.
What happens with Lavoie, Savoie, Tullio, Petrov? Nothing..

We need a solid veteran legitimate 2nd pairing defenseman to settle his game down a bit. Like it or not Kulak is a downgrade on Keith. We hedged on Kulak being a 2nd pairing guy and lost. He is a guy that can fill in there for spot duty, but shouldn't be there long term. The question becomes, if we add such a player and Broberg is ready for full time duty, is Kulak our expensive #7?
Kieth would had been like 40 this year thou'.
Kulak is better of. I think just he should be 3 pair with Barrie.
Lets see if youngsters Broberg bouch is good to go. I miss though a defensive D more. And just do a trade for cap reasons, and get extra forward help.
 
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Tobias Kahun

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Oilers do draft poorly.
All impact players are drafted top 10. Exception is Puljujärvi, who isnt an impact player. And Broberg.
I like that they dont throw in Broberg as they did with Pulju (stupid, he was 18, and not familiar with english). I actually feel bad for Jesse there.

Yamamoto was not a right pick, if you draft a limited, narrow shot pick.
Could had just trade off for a roosterplayer in a weak draft. It isnt easy to find Robertson, other teams missed out on him as well.

McLeod is the only find oilers got.
What happens with Lavoie, Savoie, Tullio, Petrov? Nothing..


Kieth would had been like 40 this year thou'.
Kulak is better of. I think just he should be 3 pair with Barrie.
Lets see if youngsters Broberg bouch is good to go. I miss though a defensive D more. And just do a trade for cap reasons, and get extra forward help.
Yeah, can't believe those 4th round picks or later arent lighting it up yet.
 

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Oilers do draft poorly.
All impact players are drafted top 10. Exception is Puljujärvi, who isnt an impact player. And Broberg.
I like that they dont throw in Broberg as they did with Pulju (stupid, he was 18, and not familiar with english). I actually feel bad for Jesse there.

Yamamoto was not a right pick, if you draft a limited, narrow shot pick.
Could had just trade off for a roosterplayer in a weak draft. It isnt easy to find Robertson, other teams missed out on him as well.

McLeod is the only find oilers got.
What happens with Lavoie, Savoie, Tullio, Petrov? Nothing..


Kieth would had been like 40 this year thou'.
Kulak is better of. I think just he should be 3 pair with Barrie.
Lets see if youngsters Broberg bouch is good to go. I miss though a defensive D more. And just do a trade for cap reasons, and get extra forward help.
What?
The writing is way too early for those 3 bolded players.
Especially when one in Petrov is playing in the OHL.
 
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Everybody knows the ONLY reason he is not on the Oilers PP1 is the next contract for him ...$$$$
If he was, he would be posting minimum 15 goals and 50-60 PTS this year
 

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I haven't read one in awhile, but that's how a GDT would be. One period we should get rid of the guy next period the guy is a superstar
Precisely. This is pretty much how every board looks to me.

Reading the Florida board I'd guess that half of them would trade Ekblad for a bag of pucks. My guess though is that if you asked the same people what it would cost to get him for the Oilers they would say it started with Leon.

Everybody knows the ONLY reason he is not on the Oilers PP1 is the next contract for him ...$$$$
If he was, he would be posting minimum 15 goals and 50-60 PTS this year
I don't think that this is true. Barrie is very good at moving the puck on the pp which is pretty much what you want the defenseman to do. Bouchard still struggles with this at times. He'll learn but right now Barrie is the right choice in my eyes.
 

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Everybody knows the ONLY reason he is not on the Oilers PP1 is the next contract for him ...$$$$
If he was, he would be posting minimum 15 goals and 50-60 PTS this year

I don't buy that. They also have to justify Barrie contract and he's good on the pp.
They aren't gonna sacrifice wins to save $
 
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Bryanbryoil

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Unless we add another offensive D before the deadline, now is Bouchard's time to shine. Ekholm should give him the same kind of veteran reliability and leadership that Keith did and he now has the opportunity to get the lions share of PP1 time.
 
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hemskysuncle

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he looks like a completely different player with ekholm getting his back. Confidence is a huge thing. Seemed lost for most of the year. He hasn't shown the P/G type of play but at least he doesn't look completely disinterested in his own zone as much as he did.
 
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Jimmi McJenkins

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Hot take...

Bouchard is going to put up 20 points over the next 21 games and everyone will remember why he was a top 10 pick.
Especially if he can zero in that shot a bit more. He'd doing a better job getting it thru, just tighten up the accuracy.

Edit: This isn't a "dig," I like this player and the way his game is going, but we've seen better accuracy from him in the past.
 

McShogun99

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They need to sign him long term this off season. If they bridge him it will end up being a Nurse situation all over again.
 

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