It is only waiting for U18 or U20 fall into the B category. This will be the real bottom of Czech hockey. Now people like Kral or Prerost think that the game and the results correspond to the position of the Czech hockey in the world. The Czechs are already going to all the tournaments in order to surprise the top5 opponents. This thinking will be difficult to change, because people in hockey and fans have become accustomed the regular defeats. And the patience of Czech hockey fans is admirable, because they always give their support even if the national team play badly and loses, people in the stands always come to support their team in every situation.
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It is only waiting for U18 or U20 fall into the B category. This will be the real bottom of Czech hockey. Now people like Kral or Prerost think that the game and the results correspond to the position of the Czech hockey in the world. The Czechs are already going to all the tournaments in order to surprise the top5 opponents. This thinking will be difficult to change, because people in hockey and fans have become accustomed the regular defeats. And the patience of Czech hockey fans is admirable, because they always give their support even if the national team play badly and loses, people in the stands always come to support their team in every situation.
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Well we dont have any players in europe, so whats your point? Players in NHL are nothing special except Pastrnak and he is doing not that great last 2 seasons. Problem is depth, you have no problem like that, you can make whole team out of NHLers you have so many of them there.
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I don't think we will ever be relegated, we are going from shadow zone to zone of pain, majority of czech fans are not accepting fact that we are on Germany Switzerland level and getting angry when we lose against Russia or Finland. There is no top 6 not anymore and nothing is done by Kral and others to make it better, they are getting money for nothing and they are happy.
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It's beautiful but I'd avoid it this weekend.lol
Czech teams have lost at every single level this weekend.. it is amazing!
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We have been anhilated at every level in both genders.
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To me, the problem is before that.
What is the league before Extraliga that a very good Czech could get drafted from? There is this huge black hole between Extraliga and junior.
We all currently love Sale... he's destroying the U20 league and then where does he go? To play 5 minutes a night for Kometa? We need a stronger in between league where all our Czechs stay between 18 to 20 unless they can play in NHL or at least 15 minutes in Extraliga. It'll never happen but we lack a middle league that is worthwhile.
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We don´t need another league, we need better development of our youth, to make Chance league more competitive. When you are producing terchnically advanced players quality of league will go slowly up. I would cut number of teams in Chance league, and czech junior extraleague by third to make those leagues more competitive to speedify whole process, building more rinks in bigger towns would help too. After reduction of our bloated system i would take closer look at coaches what they are doing to young players and hire skill coaches from Canada to teach them.
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Exactly... Chance and U20 need massive improvements. No future NHLer is going that route. Sel2 and Finn second league (mestis?) is not a dead end.
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Chance league and u20 need reduction once this is done you are making changes in coaching in u20 so Chance quality will go up with influx of skilled kids. Problem is that many coaches are knowing dirt on each other and everybody is afraid to say something, its easy but it is science fiction in our corrupt system.
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Totally agree. It's a corrupt and stupid system. Reminds me a lot of my Oilers in the decade of darkness. Hey, let's bring back former Oiler's with no experience and make sure they have jobs for life!
Also, the Extraliga owners don't give a shit about development of youth. It's a big disconnect. Until you are 16.. it's a pretty good system. Then it falls apart.
Nothing more telling than Spacek sending his boy to Canada.
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Thats what you get when you don´t hang all commies after 1989 and have Velvet Revolution. It´s too late now, they are everywhere football, hockey, government everywhere its propably impossible to do something with it now.
Oh my god, in order to reduce the number of teams in the junior league, you would have to play the competition with a maximum of eight or nine teams. If you have nine teams in the junior league, you have to financially support the seconf junior league so that the boys in it have the motivation the work on themselves and get into the first nine teams (feel free to put ten teams..) Exactly the same problem is used in Allsvenskan. The Swedes understood that not every player is physically and mentally ready to play in SHL after the age of eighteen.
It is also important to mention that the biological differences are different for each player and here the coach must act carefully and with feeling. If someone is small and unable to physically compete with the bigger boys, the coach must communicate with him and find and league where he will play enough minutes for his development. We also can't estimate this at all in the Czech Republic, and then we have enough players who can one day play in the extraliga or even in the national team. So we can't say that today there aren't as many children as thirty years ago, we ourselves eliminate a lot of players by the wrong approach to them, where we prioritize size and strenght over skills.
Dude, do you remember WC U18 in 2007? At that time, U18 had to leave the elit category and play second division with Lithuania and Poland. Obviously, this slap meant nothing to Czech hockey. If a remember correctly, Kral started working for Czech hockey in 2008, so this descent is not directly behind him. The federation had no money, the Kral changed that, and in this case he was successful and brought money into to the coffers. Finland began to make its changes a year later, in the summer of 2009 in Vierumäki. We don't have to talk where Finnish hockey has gone since and where Czech hockey has gone. And whene we compare Czech and Finnish hockey in 2008-2009, they were very close. So what did the Finns do differently?
They had to talk to each other. Coaches in the club, coaches in NT, scouts, agents and players. Becauses if IFK is not an open club and they hide their training methods from another Finnish club, it will eventually stagnate. And because they have only 5 milions people, which is half of what Czechia has, they had to cooperate. Erkka Westerlund, a former NT coach , came up with the idea for the change. Westerlund wanted the coaches in the clubs to work much more on the individual development of the player and also to talk more with the player on the ideas that the player could use in the game. Which practically means that he didn't want the coach to coach according according to the manual, but instead wanted to encourage creativity and creativity. Because only a player who is free on the ice and applies his own solution before the drill from the manual is successful.
An integral part of every professional is taking care of their body. which will one day earn their life. Related to sleep, regeneration and diet. The sooner a player gets this into himself, the better he will understand what it means to be a professional every day of the year. Thus, this Finland introduced in 2009, the same things were introduced the Czech republic in 2017 or 2018. Here you can see where we fell asleep and what a deficit we have in Finland and Sweden. And both federations had major problems in 2008 and were struggling to decline. The Finns returned to the top relatively soon, began to produce interesting players and in some areas are even ahead of Sweden.
And what has Czech hockey done since 2008? Nothing, he just talks about his problems and no one in the federation wants a change. Why should they leave their warm and well paid place?
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Don't be so overdramatic.
Czech Republic is doing fine in hockey these days.
Lukas Dostal and Nick Malik are both future NHL / KHL ( depends how those guys develop ) goalies.
Czech's can win medals if they play as a team and no-one isn't playing for himself or NHL scouts.
Maybe Czech's will not produce so much 1st round picks in NHL right now.
But what comes international tournament games
Czech's has always caused troubles for Finland
when they have faced each-others U20 WJC's, IIHF worlds etc
and mark my word that same will happen upcoming U20 WJC's as well.
Finland lacks center depth in these U20 WJC 's ( 2022 )
and if our games continue after U20 WJC quarterfinal game we ( Finland ) have got very lucky.
