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ESPN’s Top 25 NHLers of the 21st Century
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hangman005
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Sidney the Kidney
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The bolded is going to spark some interesting discussion.
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Because it’s your first day, duh.
22FUTON9
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Damn, even as an Avs fan Mack>Malkin is insane. Might catch some heat, but Bergeron at 10 is pretty wild as well.
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As will #1 and #2, especially as it coincides with the thread that’s pretty active in the poll forums
.Those you bolded I think has a lot to do with post season success, or lack thereof.
Also the Bergeron vs. Draisaitl poll
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If that's the case, Kucherov should also be higher than Matthews. In fact, Kucherov should be higher, period.As will #1 and #2, especially as it coincides with the thread that’s pretty active in the poll forums
Those you bolded I think has a lot to do with post season success, or lack thereof
I also think Malkin being that low is underrating how good Malkin was in his prime. But its not a surprise how much Malkin gets underrated given he didn't even crack the NHL's Top 100 list.
555Upstairs
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Two things that stick out the most to me personally:
With all due respect, but Bergeron shouldn't be at 10.
Fleury shouldn't be on that list at all IMO.
I guess they both benefitted from spending two decades in the league and being generally well-liked personalities.
With all due respect, but Bergeron shouldn't be at 10.
Fleury shouldn't be on that list at all IMO.
I guess they both benefitted from spending two decades in the league and being generally well-liked personalities.
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Malkin, Kucherov and MacKinnon should really be side by side. Order can be debatable but I would personally have both Malkin and Kucherov above MacKinnon
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I'm glad to see Pavel on the list, but I feel like he should be a spot or two higher.
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Yeah there’s no way he should be lower than 4. I’d personally have him as 3, especially if we’re precisely looking at the 21st century.
Not a bad list obviously and still to be determined (ie. McDavid)
Couple of thoughts...
Lidstrom is at worst 4th. 7 Norris' in the early 2000's is insanity.
Kucherov has probably done enough to move ahead of Stamkos, Matthews and Drai.
MAF and Quick probably shouldn't be on this list. Longevity is impressive, but I'd take Bob, Vasi, Price, Tim Thomas, Helle, Bobby Lou over him during varying stages of their careers. Just don't see it.
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Pronger is probably a bit borderline just based on the timeline. His Hart season was 1999-00.
Personally, I would have put him in.
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DL44
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I would put Lidstrom at #2.. I think he's a top 7-8-9 player of all time.
Also Karlsson came along and changed the whole game from the backend... again... spurred/inspired offensive minded dmen bringing on the Makar's/Hughes of the following generation... changed GM philosophy opening up thier minds to drafting skating, lighter, pucking moving dmen.
Needs to be in the mix in top 7-8 on that list.
Also Karlsson came along and changed the whole game from the backend... again... spurred/inspired offensive minded dmen bringing on the Makar's/Hughes of the following generation... changed GM philosophy opening up thier minds to drafting skating, lighter, pucking moving dmen.
Needs to be in the mix in top 7-8 on that list.
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Agreed. Lids should be ahead of Kane. Love Quick but he shouldn't be on the list. And neither should MAF.
Bergeron is probably too high and he and Kopitar should be closer in ranking. Glad to see Dats on that list but if you include him Zetterberg should be there somewhere too.
MacK seems too high. Lidstrom too low. Malkin too low. That's my first glance analysis.
McPoyle
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Kane and MacK much too high. Quick should not be on this list.
How are there people saying Lidstrom is too low? He's at 5 and I can't see any argument for him being higher. When he was winning Norrises no one thought he was better than Crosby, Malkin, or Ovechkin.
admiralcadillac
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I still think even if you don’t include his peak seasons at the tail end of the 90s he’s one of the top 3-4 dmen in the 21st century, so I agree I’d put him in there.
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This NYR is saying 7) Martin Brodeur shouldn't be lower than 6th. For nearly 10 years he was playing 70+ games a season and putting up great numbers. Debate the trap or the defense, I don't see how Mackinnon is ranked higher.
