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Speculation: Erik Karlsson on the move at the deadline?

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tiburon12 said:
why do you think that will work? He was excellent in Ottawa as "the guy" and scored 101 points as "the guy" on the sharks. Every season he's had to share top dog responsibilities he hasnt been great. This exact reasoning is why the trade to Pitt was stupid from the start (since they have Letang).

Why are people trying to triple down on something that demonstrably doesnt work??
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i mean the only time San Jose was good was the first year Karlsson was there, and what didn't work then? They made it to WCF.

Sharks were dominant with Karlsson and Burns on different pairings that year and the only reason they didn't win the cup was injuries. After that season they didn't become bad because Karlsson and Burns were sharing duties its because they lost their depth + Pavelski who was the glue for the forwards.

In Pittsburgh the team was already on the way down before Karlsson got there. So it's not that Pittsburgh sucked because they had Letang and Karlsson sharing, its that Pittsburgh would be mediocre unless you could rewind the time on Crosby, Malkin, etc
 
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Dubas is going to invent the "buyout-and-trade".

He will approach Karlsson and get a list of teams that he would agree to sign a 1 year 2M per contract with a NMC with.

He will then approach those teams and ask for a return commiserate with renting Karlsson for a year at 2M per.

When all three sides are in agreement, he will buyout Karlsson and Karlsson will sign with that team. That team will send Dubas the draft picks, and because the UFA rights to Jesse Puljujarvi are clearly worth a 1st round+++, the league could not investigate Tampa and Pittsburgh for any form of circumvention.
 
tiburon12 said:
Karlsson needs to be "the guy" on defense wherever he goes. Van doesn't have that opportunity
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I think it is the opposite at this point. You have to keep in mind, he is turning 35 this year and has lots of milage on his body. He is only going to get worse physically.

The best spot for Karlsson would be somewhere that already has a top 4 set in stone, but needs help driving offense.

The way I see him is that he would be a billion dollar Chris Wideman. Give him 80 percent o-zone starts and shifts against weak players. But unlike Wideman, he is competent enough to play on the top 2 pairings on a case-by-case basis when it is strategically beneficial.

The problem is that someone is going to acquire him to be 25-year-old Erik Karlsson, and not 35-year-old Erik Karlsson.
 
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Karlsson is such a weird case. Disclaimer, he's one of my favorite players ever.

That said, it's been proven he's best when he has the puck, and when he's the guy. When he was the one star left on the Sens he drags them to the ECF. His best sharks year is after Joe and PM are gone. He's just not valueable as a support player.

Which isn't to say he's not valuable still, but what playoff team works for him when you think about it? I'm honestly not sure.
 
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SteelCityCannon said:
Karlsson is such a weird case. Disclaimer, he's one of my favorite players ever.

That said, it's been proven he's best when he has the puck, and when he's the guy. When he was the one star left on the Sens he drags them to the ECF. His best sharks year is after Joe and PM are gone. He's just not valueable as a support player.

Which isn't to say he's not valuable still, but what playoff team works for him when you think about it? I'm honestly not sure.
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Dallas
 
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SEALBound said:
Honestly, not to be rude, but I think there would have to be a significant add from the wings. Like a first or a blue chip. Copp and Holl aren't doing anything to help the Penguins. They aren't that valuable and make it difficult for the Penguins to weaponize cap space. It also blocks other younger players. So there would have to be incentive. I'm not sure I see a prospect to do it. Danielson, Kasper, Wallander, and Buium are attractive but I don't see them being realistic additions. That said, I'm not sure a 1st alone is enough either.

Something like Copp + 1st for EK retained might work though. Unless we can work Rasmussen in...he's the ideal target but I imagine you'd want to keep him for the same reasons we'd want him. Unless we can send you DOC as a fill in.
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I don't blame you one bit. Just the random musings of a 3rd party entity. Good to see your thoughts.
 
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Dallas makes an absurd amount of sense for Karlsson. They have an elite DFD in Lindell to pair him with and help mask his defensive issues, plus Oettinger in net also can bail out a lot of defensive miscues. They are not getting a ton of offense out of their blue line, with Heiskanen and Harley only barely at a 40 point pace and everyone else below it. They have a need at RD, since Dumba has been an absolute dud for them since being signed in the off-season. They also have a bad powerplay that Karlsson should be able to help.

From Karlsson's side, Dallas has made the WCF in 2 of the last 3 years and are about as good of a contender as basically anyone in the NHL. He'd immediately be jumping to a top contender and has said that his main focus right now is winning. I also vaguely recall reports that Dallas was a bit interested when Karlsson was traded back in 2023 as well.

Karlsson at $6 million for Dumba and a 1st is a very simple deal that I feel makes a lot of sense for both sides. The Penguins at least recover the 1st they traded for Karlsson, even if the pick is worse than the one they gave up. The Stars get a player that fills a huge need for them and gets out of a dud Dumba contract, and it just costs them a late 1st to do that.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Dallas makes an absurd amount of sense for Karlsson. They have an elite DFD in Lindell to pair him with and help mask his defensive issues, plus Oettinger in net also can bail out a lot of defensive miscues. They are not getting a ton of offense out of their blue line, with Heiskanen and Harley only barely at a 40 point pace and everyone else below it. They have a need at RD, since Dumba has been an absolute dud for them since being signed in the off-season. They also have a bad powerplay that Karlsson should be able to help.

From Karlsson's side, Dallas has made the WCF in 2 of the last 3 years and are about as good of a contender as basically anyone in the NHL. He'd immediately be jumping to a top contender and has said that his main focus right now is winning. I also vaguely recall reports that Dallas was a bit interested when Karlsson was traded back in 2023 as well.

Karlsson at $6 million for Dumba and a 1st is a very simple deal that I feel makes a lot of sense for both sides. The Penguins at least recover the 1st they traded for Karlsson, even if the pick is worse than the one they gave up. The Stars get a player that fills a huge need for them and gets out of a dud Dumba contract, and it just costs them a late 1st to do that.
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Dumba's been a dud for ages now and Lyubushkin is what he is so Nill giving them a combined 7 mil seemed like the height of desperation and shortsightedness
 
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Lyobushkin has been a good player for the Stars. I would trade Dumba and a first for Karlsson in a heartbeat at 6 million. He is one thing they desperately need. Lindell or Miro can partner with him and cover his defense
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
I think it is the opposite at this point. You have to keep in mind, he is turning 35 this year and has lots of milage on his body. He is only going to get worse physically.

The best spot for Karlsson would be somewhere that already has a top 4 set in stone, but needs help driving offense.

The way I see him is that he would be a billion dollar Chris Wideman. Give him 80 percent o-zone starts and shifts against weak players. But unlike Wideman, he is competent enough to play on the top 2 pairings on a case-by-case basis when it is strategically beneficial.

The problem is that someone is going to acquire him to be 25-year-old Erik Karlsson, and not 35-year-old Erik Karlsson.
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No, no the problem is that 35 year old Erik Karlsson wants to and will only try to play like 25 year old Karlsson. You build around him, not inject him in.

Agent Zuuuub said:
i mean the only time San Jose was good was the first year Karlsson was there, and what didn't work then? They made it to WCF.

Sharks were dominant with Karlsson and Burns on different pairings that year and the only reason they didn't win the cup was injuries. After that season they didn't become bad because Karlsson and Burns were sharing duties its because they lost their depth + Pavelski who was the glue for the forwards.

In Pittsburgh the team was already on the way down before Karlsson got there. So it's not that Pittsburgh sucked because they had Letang and Karlsson sharing, its that Pittsburgh would be mediocre unless you could rewind the time on Crosby, Malkin, etc
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Thats an incomplete picture. Karlsson was hurt and barely able to skate that year. Burns was the guy because Karlsson couldn't do it. Remember he didn't even score until mid November that year. We also had like 9 20.goal scorers that season.

Once burns left, Karlsson was the guy and the team built their strategy around him. It worked in getting points, the Sharks were just too bad everywhere else to be reasonable.
 
If Holland were still GM of Oilers, he’d be all over this again even if it didn’t make sense for them. For teams that are wanting to win now, Dallas makes the most sense. Maybe the Leafs as well though I don’t think both sides feel comfortable trading with each other due to history with Kyle and Leafs still.
 
tiburon12 said:
No, no the problem is that 35 year old Erik Karlsson wants to and will only try to play like 25 year old Karlsson. You build around him, not inject him in.


Thats an incomplete picture. Karlsson was hurt and barely able to skate that year. Burns was the guy because Karlsson couldn't do it. Remember he didn't even score until mid November that year. We also had like 9 20.goal scorers that season.

Once burns left, Karlsson was the guy and the team built their strategy around him. It worked in getting points, the Sharks were just too bad everywhere else to be reasonable.
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Yea I think he only put up 1 point in 11 games but right after he put up 25 points in 15 games before he got hurt.

And pretty sure Burns was PPG during the same period and Sharks were the hottest team in the league over that stretch. So idk seemed like it was working pretty well.

Sucks he got injured at that time though, some of the worst luck with injuries.



A lot of these are even with Burns on the ice.
 
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Ottawa makes the most sense and with a first and a player that fits the Pens, Pens retain as they will move other contracts this off season. Petts at the TDL. and then Rust, Dubas will find a taker for Jarry in the off season. I still think Edmonton takes a flyer on him if he plays well at WB. Pens move 13 million AAV and have picks and prospects to continue the restocking of the system.
 
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Matty Sundin said:
If Holland were still GM of Oilers, he’d be all over this again even if it didn’t make sense for them. For teams that are wanting to win now, Dallas makes the most sense. Maybe the Leafs as well though I don’t think both sides feel comfortable trading with each other due to history with Kyle and Leafs still.
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A Nurse / Karlsson pairing is the stuff dreams are made of.
 
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chethejet said:
Ottawa makes the most sense and with a first and a player that fits the Pens, Pens retain as they will move other contracts this off season. Petts at the TDL. and then Rust, Dubas will find a taker for Jarry in the off season. I still think Edmonton takes a flyer on him if he plays well at WB. Pens move 13 million AAV and have picks and prospects to continue the restocking of the system.
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Finding a taker for Jarry won't be cheap either. Not saying it can't be done, but Kyle isn't great when it comes to cleaning up his own mess.
 
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Moridin said:
Karlsson at 50% off starts at an unprotected first.
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Some kind of joke? Karlsson at 50% retained reflects his real value. It's not everyone else's fault Dubas traded for a $10.5M player who isn't playing at that level anymore.

chethejet said:
Ottawa makes the most sense and with a first and a player that fits the Pens, Pens retain as they will move other contracts this off season. Petts at the TDL. and then Rust, Dubas will find a taker for Jarry in the off season. I still think Edmonton takes a flyer on him if he plays well at WB. Pens move 13 million AAV and have picks and prospects to continue the restocking of the system.
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Ottawa isn't trading anymore firsts after Dumb Dumb Dorion cost us a 1st rounder by being unable to read
 
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MCR74 said:
Finding a taker for Jarry won't be cheap either. Not saying it can't be done, but Kyle isn't great when it comes to cleaning up his own mess.
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They don’t need a taker for Jarry. Just need to ride the contract out while pretending to try to contend.
 
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