Value of: Erik Karlsson @ 50% to Vancouver?

[Gecklund]

If 35% is reasonable then why would it be out of the question to retain another 15% for a sweetener?

My reasoning is that the Sharks need to rebuild and the Canucks have some good rebuilding pieces to offer. The Canucks can’t rebuild with Pettersson and Hughes entering their prime so they need to go all-in while fixing their cap and defence and could do both in the same trade with SJ. Think there can be a trade that benefits both teams.

Because you don’t even have the pieces for EK without any retention.

 

[Quinntessential]

Because you don’t even have the pieces for EK without any retention.

Can you give an example of what you would accept from another team for EK without any retention to help me better understand?

 

[Gecklund]

Can you give an example of what you would accept from another team for EK without any retention to help me better understand?

Something worthwhile. Top prospects, top picks. Not spare parts.

 

[tapi]

He is the most dominant player in the NHL right now all things considered, so the price will be high, very high indeed. That said, in a perfect world he would be traded to a contender. Such a waste to have a D-man playing the best season by any D in the last 30 years on a terrible team.

 

[dbaz]

Why in the world do you think Pearson or Boeser would net any team 2nd round picks. Neither player has anything close to that value.

Retain Boeser at 50% during his final contract year and you’ll get a pick like that. In 2025.

Simply put gms are idiots at times and overpay for players at tdl, especially if they can score, pk, or play defense

See chariot for a 1st

 

[Juxtaposer]

Can you give an example of what you would accept from another team for EK without any retention to help me better understand?

I would think about Karlsson with $3M retained for Myers, Pearson, Kuzmenko (so SJ can get assets for him at the deadline), 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, and 2024 1st.

 

[McJedi]

Simply put gms are idiots at times and overpay for players at tdl, especially if they can score, pk, or play defense

See chariot for a 1st

He was a rental. No commitment to the following seasons.

The rentals are the ones that fetch the best value at 50% retained.

You are mistaken in conflating Boeser’s situation to Chiarot’s.

 

[Quinntessential]

Not too long ago Karlsson had negative value here, now he’s worth more than SJ paid for him 5 years ago. Does it make sense to anyone else?

 

[Quinntessential]

Something worthwhile. Top prospects, top picks. Not spare parts.

Spare parts? You mean like DeMelo, Tierney, Norris, and some picks?

 

[Weltschmerz]

Spare parts? You mean like DeMelo, Tierney, Norris, and some picks?

DeMelo is playing a big role and would probably be your 2nd best defenseman right now, and you have nothing like the Stützle-pick to offer. And that was on the last year of his contract, now you are asking for 50% retained with 4 years left.

 

[Quinntessential]

DeMelo is playing a big role and would probably be your 2nd best defenseman right now, and you have nothing like the Stützle-pick to offer. And that was on the last year of his contract, now you are asking for 50% retained with 4 years left.

So would EK.

Stutzle pick was never supposed to be that high, Sharks were a year in/out playoff team when the trade was made. The fact that it blew up in their face doesn’t raise Karlsson’s value. Both teams thought it’d be a late 1st.

EK’s contract was much better at the time.

He was also 5 years younger.

He also didn’t perform poorly in the last 2 out of 3 years.

But somehow his value is higher now??? No…

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Vancouver needs someone like Ekholm, who seems to be available.

 

[Gecklund]

Spare parts? You mean like DeMelo, Tierney, Norris, and some picks?

And guess what! He’s having his best season to date and has a contract! Funny how that works!

Or ya know we can also say a top 4 D, a bottom 6 C, a 1C, another 1C, a good middle 6 winger but ya know semantics.

 

[Sharkbomb]

Yes, I'm sure Erik Karlsson would love to go from a mediocre team to another slightly less mediocre team with equally bleak chances of going to the playoffs before he retires. A match made in heaven.

As for the Canucks, their managerial decisions since the mid 2010's are so bad I wouldn't be surprised if they made an inquiry.

 

[Bizz]

SJ is not eating 50% to the tune of 5.75M x 4 for Karlsson. Maybe 25%.

Even then it'd have to be 2-3 1sts and a blue chip prospect coming back.

Spare parts? You mean like DeMelo, Tierney, Norris, and some picks?

Just admit your proposal in the OP is trash so it can rightfully be locked at this point.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Vancouver can afford to offer a combination of:

Podkolzin
Boeser
Hoglander
Garland
Any prospect
Anyone on the farm
Draft pick(s)

Vancouver would also like to dump one of OEL or Myers and Tanner Pearson. What gets it done?

I do not see SJ keeping 4 year at 5.75

 

[Quinntessential]

Even then it'd have to be 2-3 1sts and a blue chip prospect coming back.



Just admit your proposal in the OP is trash so it can rightfully be locked at this point.

Just because San Jose paid that much for him 5 years ago doesn’t mean anyone will now. The risk is massive with his age and his last 2 seasons performance.

How you clearly misunderstood the OP because there was no proposal just an open ended question and a rough list of available pieces, I’m not sure. But I will admit to nothing of the sort.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I would think about Karlsson with $3M retained for Myers, Pearson, Kuzmenko (so SJ can get assets for him at the deadline), 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, and 2024 1st.

Which is exactly why the Canucks should never do a deal like this. A contender yes, us hell no.

Vancouver needs someone like Ekholm, who seems to be available.

If he was a RHD sure, but he's not, so no.

 

[Groo]

Just because San Jose paid that much for him 5 years ago doesn’t mean anyone will now. The risk is massive with his age and his last 2 seasons performance.

How you clearly misunderstood the OP because there was no proposal just an open ended question and a rough list of available pieces, I’m not sure. But I will admit to nothing of the sort.

Why not it was a crap offer to start off with

 

[Cogburn]

I'd love Karlsson!

On a side note, I think our PP1 should be Miller-Hughes/OEL/Karlsson/Myers, in the often theorized, never played 1 forward, 4 D configuration.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Just because San Jose paid that much for him 5 years ago doesn’t mean anyone will now. The risk is massive with his age and his last 2 seasons performance.

How you clearly misunderstood the OP because there was no proposal just an open ended question and a rough list of available pieces, I’m not sure. But I will admit to nothing of the sort.

What the Sharks paid for him five years ago means nothing to what the ask is when you include the caveat of retaining 50% on Karlsson's contract which is a massive ask on its own much less include cap going from Vancouver to San Jose whether it's OEL, Myers, Pearson, or whatever you can put together.

If you want to get Karlsson at 50% plus ask us to help you with cap concerns, you're going to need to pony up things that help the Sharks. That may end up being more than what you think they paid a few years ago because the ask is vastly different.

 

[Quinntessential]

And guess what! He’s having his best season to date and has a contract! Funny how that works!

Or ya know we can also say a top 4 D, a bottom 6 C, a 1C, another 1C, a good middle 6 winger but ya know semantics.

It’s not semantics, it’s important information that shows me you don’t understand the $30 million+ cap hit your asking price entails or that it’s mathematically impossible. But I’m the funny one?

FYI, Joshua Norris and the Tim Stutzle pick were not #1 centres when they were traded, I must stress this. They were a small chance at a #1 center and that’s it, only with hindsight can you claim otherwise. Ottawa got very lucky to get the results they did in that trade.

Anyway you’re way off. It’s more like Boeser, Myers, Podkolzin, Pearson, 1st, 2nd.

 

[Gecklund]

It’s not semantics, it’s important information that shows me you don’t understand the $30 million+ cap hit your asking price entails or that it’s mathematically impossible. But I’m the funny one?

FYI, Joshua Norris and the Tim Stutzle pick were not #1 centres when they were traded, I must stress this. They were a small chance at a #1 center and that’s it, only with hindsight can you claim otherwise. Ottawa got very lucky to get the results they did in that trade.

Anyway you’re way off. It’s more like Boeser, Myers, Podkolzin, Pearson, 1st, 2nd.

Except Karlsson is better now than he was when he was traded.

Anyways you’re way off because my opinion is obviously correct.

 

[Quinntessential]

What the Sharks paid for him five years ago means nothing to what the ask is when you include the caveat of retaining 50% on Karlsson's contract which is a massive ask on its own much less include cap going from Vancouver to San Jose whether it's OEL, Myers, Pearson, or whatever you can put together.

If you want to get Karlsson at 50% plus ask us to help you with cap concerns, you're going to need to pony up things that help the Sharks. That may end up being more than what you think they paid a few years ago because the ask is vastly different.

That's fine, Canucks can move the few good prospects they have, the few good young roster players they do have, and lottery protected draft picks to help the Sharks rebuild. In the bigger picture, you guys should be trading every veteran approaching or older than 30 for picks, prospects, and young players. The Sharks were so dominant during the Thornton-Marleau era that they should be focusing on trying to get back to that level and their current roster will never get there. It should be a full tear down style rebuild. Don't ask for the moon for Karlsson thinking the trade alone will set you up for a rebuild. You can get huge hauls for Meier, Couture, and Hertl too which will, in addition to the couple years of tanking, ultimately help San Jose rebuild into a true perennial contender again.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Rebuild, for the love of god, rebuild.