I fail to see the logic in making moves if we are just going to trade him off next season and expend more resources we don’t necessarily have. I can understand our GM doing it because he doesn't make good trades and roster moves probably 90% of the time. Why would we not sell Spence now, not rush him Schaefer, and then get more return for the buck next season? At least that would give us a chance to build for next season which we already know is likely to be the start of a rebuild.
Erie Otters 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I
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I fail to see the logic in making moves if we are just going to trade him off next season and expend more resources we don’t necessarily have. I can understand our GM doing it because he doesn't make good trades and roster moves probably 90% of the time. Why would we not sell Spence now, not rush him Schaefer, and then get more return for the buck next season? At least that would give us a chance to build for next season which we already know is likely to be the start of a rebuild.
On top of the matter, we have no owner to stop him from making such moves.
I’m not quite sure how he gets invited to lead tournaments and gets awards. He has done nothing for us that made logical sense in the long term.
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They aren’t going to sell off with the current roster and 7 years of failed seasons, limited to no profit and a franchise that needs to see their fans spending money on them in April…
Yes, sell off is an option but in context with this franchise at this time - it makes little to no sense
Standing pat also does nothing for you but a potential 1st round exit and they need more than that imo..
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Erie hockey fans will have lots of money to spend on their team come April. After all, gas will be below $2 a gallon, grocery costs set to plummet, energy bill will be cheap as dirt, etc...A promise is a promise.
Pull the trigger on a big trade.
FWIW:
10-6-1 with Schaefer
6-4-2-1 without Schaefer
So they marginally improve at the cost of...
More draft picks, future players/considerations...
Again, DB is quite literally the dumbest GM in all of the OHL. We know he will likely stand pat or buy, but at this juncture is likely the worst possible road ahead, but that doesn't change the fact that logically it does not make sense to go all in other than he's butchered things so badly thus far, he's almost forced to.
10-6-1 with Schaefer
6-4-2-1 without Schaefer
So they marginally improve at the cost of...
More draft picks, future players/considerations...
Again, DB is quite literally the dumbest GM in all of the OHL. We know he will likely stand pat or buy, but at this juncture is likely the worst possible road ahead, but that doesn't change the fact that logically it does not make sense to go all in other than he's butchered things so badly thus far, he's almost forced to.
Also, does anyone know if he is having surgery? If he is, his season is done which would further the idiocracy of trying to go all in.
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His season is almost certainly done. So yes, let's trade for more...
Canada's Schaefer to miss remainder of world juniors
thescore.com
His season is almost certainly done. So yes, let's trade for more...
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If they wanted to push for next year and traded Terrance, Misiak, alfano and/or Fimis they would get quite the haul.Also, does anyone know if he is having surgery? If he is, his season is done which would further the idiocracy of trying to go all in.
Canada's Schaefer to miss remainder of world juniors
His season is almost certainly done. So yes, let's trade for more...
Then again they’d waste erliden
no doubt though this Schaefer injury screws plans big time for the otters.
With how the org has built up to this season, it is unlikely they sell off, however it would likely be the MOST LUCRATIVE option and allow the team to possibly rebuild/return in 2 seasons if players develop and the GM hits on the picks.
More often then not, our GM fails us on the trades so it's a tough situation to be in for sure.
In theory you could tank the rest of the way and move Terrance and Fimis this season, perhaps Alfano as well and then next season move Spence/Schaefer and be ready for 2026/2027.
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Would be a real bad decision on Eries behalf to entertain that with Schaefer out. Pretty risky and will be very costly. They SHOULD worry about their d first now with that big hit to the core. They need to pick up 2 defencemen if they want to make this run nevermind Musty.
Wonder if there would be a chance they’d push the go for it year to next year (Spence’s 19 year old season, Frasca 19, Henry 19, Schaefer if back 18 and probably best D in whole CHL or Zayne Parekh, Edwards and Daviault good OA’s, Challenger, Ambrosio, Willis, 17 year olds with 2 of the 3 in their draft years (not Willis- late birthday)
I don’t see it as being wise. I like we try to go after two defenseman, preferably one who can make an immediate impact on the first line.
Second would be a BUG.
Between both of those needs, I don’t see us having assets to get Musty + these needs.
Losing our best Defender, it's a huge reach and we would now also have to fill a top 3 Defender and a BUG. It COULD happen, but it would be extremely foolish which is right up the GM's wheelhouse.
This was ultimately our year to go all in from a roster perspective. Offensively Musty could have changed our trajectory, but with Sova being traded prior to the season and Frasca being a bust so far, we didn't really get great return on investment to this point.
Our GM should be fired, we should sell off our top players and let a new GM/Coach take the reigns for a rebuild.
So basically, we all agree that you don’t stand pat this season
Do you make more stupid trades, lose more assets, and still suck and fail to get out of the second round…???
Or do you use your freaking brain for once and start to sell to the highest offers ?? it’s a shame this happened to Schaefer but w him and a few mediocre trades we still were never getting out of the 2nd rnd ..
highest trade offers considered from anyone (but London ) who has fleeced us for the last 10 years of trades ..Don’t kid yourself folks we ain’t going no where .. we’re basically looking at 4 years from now IF they play their cards well and IF they get rid of Brown …w out Schafer we will be a .500 - ish team in 2 months from now .. hope I’m wrong but that’s my 2 cents
Do you make more stupid trades, lose more assets, and still suck and fail to get out of the second round…???
Or do you use your freaking brain for once and start to sell to the highest offers ?? it’s a shame this happened to Schaefer but w him and a few mediocre trades we still were never getting out of the 2nd rnd ..
highest trade offers considered from anyone (but London ) who has fleeced us for the last 10 years of trades ..Don’t kid yourself folks we ain’t going no where .. we’re basically looking at 4 years from now IF they play their cards well and IF they get rid of Brown …w out Schafer we will be a .500 - ish team in 2 months from now .. hope I’m wrong but that’s my 2 cents
Frasca has not done well so far...not to say he can't improve.
If they used Fimis, Alfano, Terrance as trade offers and hit big, there'd be a chance they could be a couple pieces away from a run next year and if not, you'd still have Spence/Schaefer to trade before the deadline.
They'd also have to heavily invest in their goalie(s). Erliden is likely a one and done, but to be fair, he's been really amazing so far.
We lose a lot of offense this year and if they don't cash in the chips, they have very few resources to recoup what was lost. We are walking a very thin line as the result of some very poor trades and little draft stock.
Thats kinda where I see it...
Losing Jim Waters a few weeks ago, the franchise future up in the air the most sound play IMO is for Erie to accept this was unfortunate, rally behind the kids/org, and be patient for another 1 - 2 years with a major sell off.
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I can’t believe what I’m reading on here. Is your team so thin of talent that you can’t continue without Schaefer until playoffs? Have faith, in your new coach, your new goalie and your players…
Don’t GIVE up!!!
We are close...
However our largest needs prior to the injury in most of our collective decisions.
1 - top 6 forward (Musty was a big rumor to be here)
1 - solid 3/4 stay at home defender
1 - BUG
With Schaefer being likely lost it will move our needs to be a serious contenders to still needing a high end forward (our preseason trade for Frasca didn't pan out thus far)
It will bump our back line to needing two 2/3 defenders
We still need a BUG.
IMO it changed the trajectory enough that we don't realistically have the assets to make a serious run this year.
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A Musty and DeAnglios or Musty and McCoy deal looks appealing for Erie more so now than ever. Challenger, Royston and Holomego gets it done!
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Not sure Musty will be made available; regardless, the rest of your players, the Waters family and the community deserve a playoff run. You have a great team. Adding talent will motivate Schaefer to heal faster…Us small markets gotta stick together…
Erie would have to drop an OA forward to make that trade
Add Musty, drop two OA forwards?
1, it's musty or deangelis. Maybe they trade one of the OAsnor they just take Musty and Kwachuck
If the recovery is expected to equal to Pazii & Romani; sell. If quicker, I would consider the Musty trade for Erie.
Do I need to take another look at the draft pick database? I thought you guys had like one 2nd, one 3rd and two 4ths or something available for trade. If I’m not mistaken then just adding one solid piece would decimate your picks and pretty much put the Otters back where they were a few years ago. Now I know there’s not going to be another Covid and they get Drysdale’d again but still…. It’s HIGH risk for DB at this point.
