bluesfan94
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The whistle was blown right after Kai shot the ball. Didn’t even wait to see if it would go in the net. That’s awful officiating.
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Wee Baby Seamus
Yo, Goober, where's the meat?
If people aren’t willing to understand that a player kicking the ball away is more likely to get noticed if he smashes it down the field after body checking his opponent in a game that is already chippy, then there’s nothing you can really do to help them.
Like, I can’t believe we’re still going through this.
Like, I can’t believe we’re still going through this.
hatterson
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I didn't see a good enough replay to say conclusively, but from the broadcast angle it looked very close to the arm patch location which is theoretically not considered a handball. Who knows though. The potential foul on TAA right at the goal also would have been interesting for VAR to look at if it had been relevant.
Jones botches his clearance and then heads the ball up. Szobo it looking up at the ball and slightly moving to the side and back towards it to get under it, he never looks behind him or moves back into Kiwiror. Based on the way he's positioning and bracing himself it seems like he's planning on simply heading it with the back of his head out towards midfield without really jumping. He doesn't appear aware of the Arsenal player coming from behind him.
Note the natural position of his whistle hand (right) near his side.
As soon as he goes into Szobo's back, the ref stops moving his feet and brings his whistle from his side to his chest. The fact that he stops moving his feet to follow play is a very clear indication that, in his mind, active play is over and he's only holding the whistle for a half second to see if there's a potential advantage or potentially to allow Arsenal a fast snapshot.
(Note how his whistle is already raised from his side and he's not getting ready to chase that ball towards the box nor is he really following it)
He sees Kai and Konate go up to challenge for the ball. Potentially if Kai had done something special there like a weird header into a bicycle kick he holds until the ball goes in, or if the ball goes back to the keeper he just says it's advantage and lets the keeper throw it out as he sees fit, instead the ball bounced behind Kai and Konate into the area between them and the keeper. That means that both the immediate chance and the potential advantage are gone, so he decides to blow. He begins moving his whistle hand from his chest up towards his mouth simultaneously with Kai and Konate landing back on the ground. Here's a few frames after that when his whistle actually gets to his mouth:
Then a few frames later, he's even got his arm out indicating the foul:
The whistle is audibly heard at about the same time that Havertz chips the ball.
So to sum it up:
The referee saw something live he believed was a foul and all his body language indicated he was going to call it. He held his whistle for a second to see if he truly needed to blow it or he could play "advantage" and simply not have the stoppage, additionally this allowed a snap chance for Arsenal if VAR needed to get involved. That snap chance never materialized, and there was no possibility to play advantage so, while the followup Arsenal chance was still developing he blew his whistle to stop play. That is exactly what a referee is supposed to do in that situation.
Additionally, even if he had held his whistle for the entire ~7 seconds (foul occurred at 89:40 ball went in at 89:47) between the foul and the ball going in and *then* blew it to call the foul nothing would have changed. The foul call may have been a bit soft (although it's going to be called in that situation far more than it's not), but it's not a clear and obvious error that would lead VAR to potentially intervene.
Funny how the ref experts don't talk about the non penalty call on Martin Nelly.
Funny how the wee tard thinks Trossard and Rice smashed the ball away down the field like it was a field goal.
Funny how the wee tard thinks Trossard and Rice smashed the ball away down the field like it was a field goal.
bluesfan94
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I can't find any official guidelines, but to me, if the idea is to wait to allow for VAR, blowing as the chance was taken is goofy. It's goofy to have such a gap between what is allowed to play out for VAR with offside and what is allowed to play out for VAR with a foul.
This is rather presumptuous, given what VAR has chosen to intervene or not intervene on. VAR shouldn't have intervened with the Saliba red, but once it did, it should have intervened for the Tosin yellow and the VDV yellow. It shouldn't have intervened for the De Ligt penalty, but once it did, it should have intervened for the Konate clearing out Martinelli in the first half. It's incredibly inconsistent.
Wee Baby Seamus
Yo, Goober, where's the meat?
aaaaand this is where it becomes clear that you're incapable of dealing with this rationally, and time is being wasted by all interlocutors
bluesfan94
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Chelsea fan thinks call that benefitted Chelsea was right? Also breaking this morning, the Pope? Catholic.
Wee Baby Seamus
Yo, Goober, where's the meat?
And yet, the Liverpool fan who liked my post would be perfectly positioned to think that Tosin should've seen red, wouldn't he be? Given that his team would've been up against 10 men for 85 minutes had it been given?
Every single whiny little baby I've seen crying about Tosin getting yellow has been an Arsenal fan - Liverpool fans did not contest that call.
