GWT: EPL - Matchweek 11

[robertmac43]

Burn

umm nope... Burn was late to everything when he came up against Saka. There is a reason he didn't make it past the 45th

 

[Live in the Now]

A couple people lost their right to complain after what they said about other people, so I am glad not to see much complaining here. That being said again the officiating is borderline bent.

 

[Savant]

A couple people lost their right to complain after what they said about other people, so I am glad not to see much complaining here. That being said again the officiating is borderline bent.

My favorite example of this was Vincent Kompany last matchweek. Just glad to be on the right side of history.

Here’s Arteta about a month ago too :



Not a problem until it starts happening to you I guess

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Who suggested that?

GWT: - EPL - Matchweek 2

TAA looked like he had a bad ankle or calf going off.

forums.hfboards.com

Read this page and next.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

GWT: - EPL - Matchweek 2

TAA looked like he had a bad ankle or calf going off.

forums.hfboards.com

Read this page and next.

Ahhh... HFboards Arsenal fanclub. I thought it was a serious publication.

 

[S E P H]

Arsenal didn’t create a thing. Solid but really offered nothing to hurt us. Was proper physical, big arm wrestle of a game.

White & Tomiyasu ultra defensive at full back, Saka with no support pocketed by Burn & Trippier, no creativity in the midfield without Odegaard and powder puff up front.

Still, always VAR to blame for Arteta’s shortcomings.

- Taking a draw at St. James' Park is a good result.
- Arsenal wipe Newcastle away if we are fully fit.
- Arteta is flawed, I've been one of the few or only outspoken ones on here. He severely underestimated the size of the squad needed when your club is in the EPL, CL, FA, and EFL Cups'.
- There is no fluidity with Arteta's tactics compared to last year, no chance of creation whatsoever and him buying Havertz is a major flaw that comes back to Areta. It isn't Kai that's garbage, he's always been rubbish, but Arteta thought he was a good player to begin with. Just bad all around, but it is truly the first major loss of the season.

 

[KJS14]

Caught most of the game live and just watched the highlights again. Still trying to figure out how VAR allowed that goal. Whether it was out of bounds or not isn't 100% clear, but there was a clear foul on Gabriel (arms fully extended into his back) and it's also pretty clearly offside.

Bruno G could have been sent off multiple times in the match, but the ref/VAR was blind to that too.

Arsenal didn't create much, so didn't deserve a win today. But the ref/VAR stole a draw from us.

Hilarious how some here claimed that Arsenal have the best goalkeeping in the league.

"Some" in this case being one person, right? Maybe two? I forget. But us rational ones know that isn't the case.

From what I saw:

- It stayed in play
- The push was iffy and the ref had a clear view of it so it's hard to call it clear and obvious error, don't think VAR should intervene on it
- I can't tell on the offside since there was no clear angle of where the ball was compared to where Gordon was, so I'll trust they got the lines right.

So yea, since it was given on pitch, I agree with it not being overturned. If the ref had called a foul for the push live, I also don't think there's a chance VAR overturned it that way either.

The foul on Gabriel is definitely not iffy. Both arms extended into his back. The "clear and obvious error" standard is moronic if the only reason to not have VAR intervene there is because it looks like the ref watched that happen. If the ref watched it and clearly makes the incorrect call, then that's still a clear and obvious error.

im sure the Arsenal fans will get the same reception that the LFC fans did if they complain about it and just get told to stop whining; not from me though. I’m on the right side of history on this one

A couple people lost their right to complain after what they said about other people, so I am glad not to see much complaining here. That being said again the officiating is borderline bent.

You two keep acting like everyone here was bashing you for complaining about an officiating error, when that was not the case. We gave you crap for thinking that there was a full on conspiracy against Liverpool, and then your only defense was "I never said the word conspiracy."

The refs/VAR sucked in Liverpool vs Spurs. And they sucked today for Arsenal vs Newcastle. But you don't see us Arsenal fans questioning whether the VAR ref just subjectively decided to allow that goal because he has it out for Arsenal.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

I mean, to be fair, it's apples and oranges given that what occurred in Liverpool - Spurs was (on its own terms without editorializing) far more egregious. That game had an objectively good goal ruled out. This one had one allowed which subjectively could've been disallowed. Those are different levels.

 

[KJS14]

I mean, to be fair, it's apples and oranges given that what occurred in Liverpool - Spurs was (on its own terms without editorializing) far more egregious. That game had an objectively good goal ruled out. This one had one allowed which subjectively could've been disallowed. Those are different levels.

I agree that the Liverpool vs Spurs one was far more egregious. No arguments there, and the Liverpool fans deserved to complain about it (as well as Klopp and the club itself). But that doesn't mean that they didn't deserve getting laughed at for creating a whole reffing conspiracy out if it.

Separately... today, the ref/VAR objectively missed Bruno G intentionally elbowing Jorginho in the head, which warranted a red card for violent conduct. More subjectively, he also likely should have been sent off for several other fouls (e.g. throwing Jorginho to the ground on another occasion).

And the primary reason that you can say Newcastle's goal subjectively could've been allowed/disallowed is the excuse that there was "no available angle" to determine the point of contact from Joelinton and whether it was offside. I can't 100% say it was offside (though it looks to be offside), but I think it was very clearly a foul and a handball by Joelinton.

 

[hatterson]

I agree that the Liverpool vs Spurs one was far more egregious. No arguments there, and the Liverpool fans deserved to complain about it (as well as Klopp and the club itself). But that doesn't mean that they didn't deserve getting laughed at for creating a whole reffing conspiracy out if it.

Separately... today, the ref/VAR objectively missed Bruno G intentionally elbowing Jorginho in the head, which warranted a red card for violent conduct. More subjectively, he also likely should have been sent off for several other fouls (e.g. throwing Jorginho to the ground on another occasion).

And the primary reason that you can say Newcastle's goal subjectively could've been allowed/disallowed is the excuse that there was "no available angle" to determine the point of contact from Joelinton and whether it was offside. I can't 100% say it was offside (though it looks to be offside), but I think it was very clearly a foul and a handball by Joelinton.

Players putting their hands out to ward off other players happens all the time on headers like that. It’s probably given as a foul more often than it isn’t, but there’s definitely times when it isn’t. It also wasn’t a shove as much as it was him having his hands out and running into Gabriel with them already out versus him having them back and then extending them after contact.

The offside I think was a limitation of the system they use. It appears each camera is calibrated individually as opposed to being able to use two different angles. So one angle could see the ball, another could see Gordon, but none could see both.

For the handball, they changed that a couple years back, so it would only call the goal back if it was a deliberate handball. An accidental handball only disallows the goal of it’s the player who scores that committed the handball right before the goal.

 

[Savant]

Caught most of the game live and just watched the highlights again. Still trying to figure out how VAR allowed that goal. Whether it was out of bounds or not isn't 100% clear, but there was a clear foul on Gabriel (arms fully extended into his back) and it's also pretty clearly offside.

Bruno G could have been sent off multiple times in the match, but the ref/VAR was blind to that too.

Arsenal didn't create much, so didn't deserve a win today. But the ref/VAR stole a draw from us.


"Some" in this case being one person, right? Maybe two? I forget. But us rational ones know that isn't the case.


The foul on Gabriel is definitely not iffy. Both arms extended into his back. The "clear and obvious error" standard is moronic if the only reason to not have VAR intervene there is because it looks like the ref watched that happen. If the ref watched it and clearly makes the incorrect call, then that's still a clear and obvious error.



You two keep acting like everyone here was bashing you for complaining about an officiating error, when that was not the case. We gave you crap for thinking that there was a full on conspiracy against Liverpool, and then your only defense was "I never said the word conspiracy."

The refs/VAR sucked in Liverpool vs Spurs. And they sucked today for Arsenal vs Newcastle. But you don't see us Arsenal fans questioning whether the VAR ref just subjectively decided to allow that goal because he has it out for Arsenal.

When did I say there was a conspiracy against Liverpool? No one created a conspiracy.

 

[gary69]

Doku putting on quite a show.

Count Doku was man of the match. What a great performance. Akanji knew nothing about his goal.

 

[KJS14]

Players putting their hands out to ward off other players happens all the time on headers like that. It’s probably given as a foul more often than it isn’t, but there’s definitely times when it isn’t. It also wasn’t a shove as much as it was him having his hands out and running into Gabriel with them already out versus him having them back and then extending them after contact.

The offside I think was a limitation of the system they use. It appears each camera is calibrated individually as opposed to being able to use two different angles. So one angle could see the ball, another could see Gordon, but none could see both.

For the handball, they changed that a couple years back, so it would only call the goal back if it was a deliberate handball. An accidental handball only disallows the goal of it’s the player who scores that committed the handball right before the goal.

I mean he's clearly shoving/pushing him down... maybe not to the same degree that Bruno G just literally shoved Jorginho to the ground (not the one that should have been a red card, the other one), but he goes right through Gabriel's back. It wasn't a contested header, it was pushing Gabriel down.

And if you don't think it's a foul, then his arms are outstretched, which would be deliberately playing the ball with his arm. That wouldn't be my take on it though...because its a foul.

 

[Chimaera]

How Havertz only got yellow I’ll never know. As a supporter of a team who seems to collect reds this season, that challenge was ridiculous.

You could argue it could have been 10 10, but just crazy.

I know I’ve been given crap for saying the EPL went almost overboard for allowing physicality, but today some of that took away from the match.

 

[KJS14]

How Havertz only got yellow I’ll never know. As a supporter of a team who seems to collect reds this season, that challenge was ridiculous.

You could argue it could have been 10 10, but just crazy.

I know I’ve been given crap for saying the EPL went almost overboard for allowing physicality, but today some of that took away from the match.

Havertz challenge wasn't worthy of a red. His lead foot was high, but didn't make contact. And his trailing foot caught Longstaff's foot. It was very deserving of a yellow card, but Newcastle players acted like Havertz broke Longstaff's leg in 5 places.

 

[JPBolts]

i forgot how much Jarred Gillett lets go when in the center.

 

[hatterson]

How Havertz only got yellow I’ll never know. As a supporter of a team who seems to collect reds this season, that challenge was ridiculous.

You could argue it could have been 10 10, but just crazy.

I know I’ve been given crap for saying the EPL went almost overboard for allowing physicality, but today some of that took away from the match.

It’s a gross challenge, and the players are right to be pissed, but it’s not a red based on the rules.

 

[Evilo]

It’s a gross challenge, and the players are right to be pissed, but it’s not a red based on the rules.

- serious foul play
- violent conduct

It's a red card IMO.

 

[hatterson]

- serious foul play
- violent conduct

It's a red card IMO.

A half second late challenge in which you don't catch a player high or with studs, is never gonna qualify as a red.

 

[Evilo]

A half second late challenge in which you don't catch a player high or with studs, is never gonna qualify as a red.

If he touches him, yes. And he clearly touched him with way too much force. It's not just the timing. It's the violence of it. He could have broken his ankle there.

https://x.com/BissieSmalls/status/1720873306394443896?s=20

 

[luiginb]

If he touches him, yes. And he clearly touched him with way too much force. It's not just the timing. It's the violence of it. He could have broken his ankle there.

https://x.com/BissieSmalls/status/1720873306394443896?s=20

But he didn't. I don't like either Arsenal or Havertz but wouldn't have given a red here.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Arsenal issue statement on ‘unacceptable refereeing and VAR errors’ after Mikel Arteta outburst

Mikel Arteta fumed after Newcastle’s goal was allowed to stand following VAR checks on three separate incidents

www.yahoo.com

 

[Blender]

Arsenal issue statement on ‘unacceptable refereeing and VAR errors’ after Mikel Arteta outburst

Mikel Arteta fumed after Newcastle’s goal was allowed to stand following VAR checks on three separate incidents

www.yahoo.com

Yet he refused to even explain why it should have been disallowed.

Pushed on exactly which one of the three checks the goal should have failed, Arteta was more evasive. “It is not a goal, it is simple. [The fact there are three checks] makes it even worse. You only need to see one image, if not look at the second, it is not a goal. I don’t care what they say [about a lack of proof].

I think the foul is the only one that could have been called, but that also hinges on the "clear and obvious error" standard which I'm not sure it met.

 

[bluesfan94]

Arsenal didn’t create a thing. Solid but really offered nothing to hurt us. Was proper physical, big arm wrestle of a game.

White & Tomiyasu ultra defensive at full back, Saka with no support pocketed by Burn & Trippier, no creativity in the midfield without Odegaard and powder puff up front.

Still, always VAR to blame for Arteta’s shortcomings.

Only thing you created at home was out of bounds, a foul, and offside, and that's after your star midfielder gave someone the people's elbow to the back of the head

 

[Evilo]

But he didn't. I don't like either Arsenal or Havertz but wouldn't have given a red here.

So only broken ankles are worth red cards?