Have we? Looking at Celebrini’s production of .90 ppg and comparing it to the post-lockout era, we have seen have seen it bested by 5 rookies: McDavid, Barzal, Panarin, Petterson, and Kaprizov. Who are the hundreds I am overlooking?
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Dont use statistics if you don't know how to put them into context.
Michkov ain’t slowing down
Best in the NHL in ES points last two months
21 points in his last 20 games
Best in the NHL in ES points last two months
21 points in his last 20 games
Also i believe you posted the stat earlier. hes 16th all time in points as an 18 year old?? if he didnt miss 12 games and played at his current pace he would have been top 6- 7 all time production for 18. I think that is pretty special.
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That's a silly way of measuring the quality of a rookie's season though. If we were to measure Celebrini the same way, we could very well point out that he's 85th in points and goals and say he's not worthy of the award. But we don't measure rookies against the rest of the league for a rookie award, we measure them against the other rookies. What makes it hard for a goalie to win the award is because I think voters do look at it the way you listed above because they prefer giving the award to a skater unless the goalie stands out so much that you can't ignore them.
What I think is going to complicate the voting is that if you are looking just at offensive production on the ice, Hutson's totals at the position he plays merit him winning the award and winning it handily IMO. But if you ask those same voters which of these four rookies they would most want on their team, it's Celebrini and it's not close. So the voting is likely going to be split somewhat between guys who are voting based on production and guys who will be voting based on other criteria. I have no idea if Celebrini is going to get extra consideration because he has the best points per game out of the three skaters or not, but I suspect that unless Michkov or Celebrini get hot and pass Hutson to be the rookie scoring leader by the end of the year, you have to look at Hutson's numbers as a defenseman and vote for him.
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#free Michkov 2 goals per game without Tortorella...he could have had such a fine season if not for that old....
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Turns out letting skilled players play skilled is the best strategy
You can really tell Michkov wants it. It being the Calder or a hatty. Probably both.
It would have been so nice for the Habs to have 2 players competing for the Calder... oh well
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Relax, Demidov cometh.It would have been so nice for the Habs to have 2 players competing for the Calder... oh well
Thank god for that but I can't help but think the damage they could do if they played on the same team.
Hundreds of times, like over 200 times there has been a rookie scoring .90 PPG or even over 60 points in a season (assuming he ends up around there?)
Historical is capitalized why exactly?
Hutson is an even bet to win the Calder but without even looking most Habs fans here would realize that he isn't having one of the 5 greatest Calder seasons ever.
Celebrini, for what it's worth is coring at the same rate as Bedard did last year.
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Michkov has been playing on another level since the 4 nations break. Then took it beyond that since Torts got tossed
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Michkov released from prison!
But any way you look at it, MM had a season he learnt a lot, new culture and language, ups and downs, some crazy old school coaching and he already showed a lot of toughness and resilience, which really impressed me! He is so fun to watch!
He can really build on his first year, there is a lot to go on from here!
But any way you look at it, MM had a season he learnt a lot, new culture and language, ups and downs, some crazy old school coaching and he already showed a lot of toughness and resilience, which really impressed me! He is so fun to watch!
He can really build on his first year, there is a lot to go on from here!
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Kinda tells you how much the team matters, don't it?
If Michkov scores 5-6 goals more than Celebrini, and with how he's playing right now it's pretty possible, he will outrun the Shark in Calder race even with worse PPG. The problem is someone should explain him the conception of tanking. Why the f*** he needs that useless Calder anyway?
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Believe it or not Philadelphia is 6th in the league in xGF% and top 10 in Shots for %.
They are having a real bad season relative to how good they actually are.
There was a good chunk of the season where Michkov was getting 10 min a night. Many argued it was bc he was tired and struggling, so Torts had to limit his ice time.
We now can see that argument was BS. Michkovs lack of production durimg that stretch was bc of Torts limiting his ice time.
Anytime he plays 17+ minutes he shines.
We now can see that argument was BS. Michkovs lack of production durimg that stretch was bc of Torts limiting his ice time.
Anytime he plays 17+ minutes he shines.
Yep. His hockey IQ is through the roof, it's not like he's someone who relies on a lot of short bursts of athleticism
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Hutson's on pace to beat Lidstrom's rookie season so I am not sure what the argument is for anyone else. He's already top 10 all time in dman rookie season scoring. He will pass Lidstrom, Larson and Beck in 5 points. If he gets 10 points he'll tie Phil Housley for 4th all time and pass Ray Bourque at 5th.
If you cut out the insane high scoring late 70's-80's Hutson's already second all time to Lidstrom.
Michkov/Celebrini are on pace to be maybe top 30 post-lockout.. Ten more points puts them barely 100th all time for rookies.
Ekblad won the Calder over Gaudreau at 64 points without being even close to Hutson as a player. That was a lower scoring era too. No one thought it was some grave injustice except Calgary fans.
People would be dunking on Celebrini/Michkov if they played for the Habs saying their only argument is playing for the Habs..
If you cut out the insane high scoring late 70's-80's Hutson's already second all time to Lidstrom.
Michkov/Celebrini are on pace to be maybe top 30 post-lockout.. Ten more points puts them barely 100th all time for rookies.
Ekblad won the Calder over Gaudreau at 64 points without being even close to Hutson as a player. That was a lower scoring era too. No one thought it was some grave injustice except Calgary fans.
People would be dunking on Celebrini/Michkov if they played for the Habs saying their only argument is playing for the Habs..
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Ah good, the Michkov mob is back! The thread was getting a little too organized!
And if we're removing inconvenient stats and take out the insane high scoring late 70s and 80s, he's already 9th all time in just 59 games. But that would be silly.
You don't have to make bad arguments to argue that Hutson has a very good chance for the Calder. Right now the odds are close to evenly split between the two players and that feels right.
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Once again, Celebrini is already the 19th best season for an 18 year old, all time.
And if we're removing inconvenient stats and take out the insane high scoring late 70s and 80s, he's already 9th all time in just 59 games. But that would be silly.
You don't have to make bad arguments to argue that Hutson has a very good chance for the Calder. Right now the odds are close to evenly split between the two players and that feels right.
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If you take out the 70s and 80s Hutson is about the put up the best rookie season in dman history. Only lidstrom is ahead of him for guys not from that era.Ah good, the Michkov mob is back! The thread was getting a little too organized!
Once again, Celebrini is already the 19th best season for an 18 year old, all time.
And if we're removing inconvenient stats and take out the insane high scoring late 70s and 80s, he's already 9th all time in just 59 games. But that would be silly.
You don't have to make bad arguments to argue that Hutson has a very good chance for the Calder. Right now the odds are close to evenly split between the two players and that feels right.
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