Epic Calder Race 2024-25

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Swear Habs were predicted to be "in the mix" or something, don't need to change narrative to make a point

Exactly 1 person in the first page of that thread "thought" we'd be a playoff team and he was facetiously saying we'd win the cup, no fans were thinking of a playoff berth as anything but a dream scenario
 

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I believe Vegas odds had them finishing 5th last before the season.

But no one knew that Alex Carrier would be landed in a blockbuster trade.
 

Exactly 1 person in the first page of that thread "thought" we'd be a playoff team and he was facetiously saying we'd win the cup, no fans were thinking of a playoff berth as anything but a dream scenario
Interesting alot less optimism than this thread and posts from August where somr ppl thought it could be fighting for playoffs.

The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

Either way SJ is the worst of the bunch obviously
 
Interesting alot less optimism than this thread and posts from August where somr ppl thought it could be fighting for playoffs.

The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

Either way SJ is the worst of the bunch obviously
That's supposed to be optimistic? Did you post the wrong page? (Honestly asking, most of that is doom and gloom)

I think there was more optimism in August because it's when we got Laine. When he's in the lineup we've played at a playoff point-pace. Some of that is having another scoring option on the PP but the bigger part is he returned when Hutson replaced Matheson on PP1 and started getting top-pairing ES minutes consistently.
 
...Wolf is also still a very viable candidate...this is the best Calder race in many years and might be the tightest vote...

While it's close, Hutson is still clearly ahead. It's like the 99th percentile vs the 98th percentile - it is very close, but one is just ahead. And that's no slight on Celebrini, or Wolf for that matter, or even Michkov who I thought was going to win coming into this season. Hutson is the best player on a team that is holding onto the WC2 spot, and could potentially break records and is scoring at a pace that only HOF/future HOFers have done.
 
One is having a historical rookie season and breaking records, the others are having great rookie seasons similar to what hundreds of other rookies have had.
 
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No, the biggest reason Hutson plays in a better team is because if you took him and Celebrini off their respective teams, the Habs would be significantly better.

Just look at the Sharks roster.

We all want our guy to win, but let’s live in the same reality. IMO, Hutson being on a better team shouldn’t take away from his incredible season.
Probably a more relevant and probative brain exercise is to think about how well Hutson would be doing on the Sharks without Celebrini. Yeah.

Yeah.
 
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Some interesting facts: Lane Hutson is 6th OA by secondary assists in the whole league. 30 out of his 51 assists are secondary.

Celebrini has 15 secondaries, and Michkov 13.

So Michkov has 41 primary points, Celebrini 38 and Hutson 26.

...defenseman...or did we forget that??... :biglaugh:
 
Some interesting facts: Lane Hutson is 6th OA by secondary assists in the whole league. 30 out of his 51 assists are secondary.

Celebrini has 15 secondaries, and Michkov 13.

So Michkov has 41 primary points, Celebrini 38 and Hutson 26.
Top ten in another category. Impressive! I wonder if that is a record.
 
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Probably a more relevant and probative brain exercise is to think about how well Hutson would be doing on the Sharks without Celebrini. Yeah.

Yeah.
Celebrini is having a great rookie season, we've seen those rookie numbers hundreds of times in the last 100 years of hockey. Hutson is having a HISTORICAL season up there will top 5 greatest rookies. So what's the argument here? There is none.
 
Some interesting facts: Lane Hutson is 6th OA by secondary assists in the whole league. 30 out of his 51 assists are secondary.

Celebrini has 15 secondaries, and Michkov 13.

So Michkov has 41 primary points, Celebrini 38 and Hutson 26.

A defenseman who is great at transition is getting plenty of secondary assists!

In other news : water is wet
 
Celebrini is having a great rookie season, we've seen those rookie numbers hundreds of times in the last 100 years of hockey. Hutson is having a HISTORICAL season up there will top 5 greatest rookies. So what's the argument here? There is none.
With 10ish games to go, Celebrini is having the 19th best season all time for an 18 year old, with a chance to tie MacKinnon and Bedard for 13th.

So no, we have not seen this hundreds of times. Doesn't take away from Lane but no need to underestimate what Celebrini is doing.

 
The most fascinating aspect of the Celebrini vs Hutson debate is that they are both having utterly ridiculous seasons at the peak of professional hockey yet less than a year ago the college team they were #1C and #1D teammates on couldn't even win the championship.

Takes more than two players to make a hockey championship team. They were also both under the median age in Div1. That inexperience was probably a hurdle and a factor in not winning a championship.
 
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