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CHALUPA said:
We can also admit that Hutson leading a bad Habs club to the playoff race is impressive.
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Its not that. At least it isn't to me. Having the best offensive season for a defenseman since Nick Lidstrom back in 1991 (that is 34 years ago!) with the 320 goal Red Wings, while Hutson is doing it on the 250 goal Canadiens. 34 years is a LONG time.

I have no problem acknowledging that the other rookies have had incredible seasons, and that Celebrini will likely be the better player in the future.

I just don't know how you can look past the historical significance of Hutsons season.
 
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SannywithoutCompy said:
Never thought I'd see the day that Hutson having guys like Dvorak, Anderson, Gallagher, Evans, and Armia on his team would be held against him lmao
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Reminds me of the years when we’d go into a season with everyone saying we’re a lottery team, get dragged to the playoffs and win a couple rounds because of Price, and then everyone says Price isn’t actually that good
 
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Frank Drebin said:
Its not that. At least it isn't to me. Having the best offensive season for a defenseman since Nick Lidstrom back in 1991 (that is 34 years ago!) with the 320 goal Red Wings, while Hutson is doing it on the 250 goal Canadiens. 34 years is a LONG time.

I have no problem acknowledging that the other rookies have had incredible seasons, and that Celebrini will likely be the better player in the future.

I just don't know how you can look past the historical significance of Hutsons season.
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Agreed, I think this level of production as a defenseman who tend to take longer to develop into acceptable NHLers is the biggest argument for Hutson to win. That’s definitely reflected by how high this rookie season is ranking historically.

I’m of the opinion that the primary counting stats don’t tell the full story, and all of the little things Celebrini does to impact the game and drive play make him Calder-worthy. This sentiment is probably where all the arguments about secondary assists, etc. were coming from. It’s people who think Celebrini’s impact on the game as an 18 year old is “more impressive” than historical point numbers from Hutson (bringing up age and impressiveness because I think that subjectivity what will actually drive Calder votes).
 
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TheBeard said:
Well, we all know guys like Caufield and Suzuki and Laine have never proven to be scorers before Hutson got there.
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Yeah man I’m sure you thought they were all superstars before this exact moment where it has suddenly become convenient for you

Edit: I take it back, you actually have praised them lots in the past
 
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Sasha Orlov said:
Yeah man I’m sure you thought they were all superstars before this exact moment where it has suddenly become convenient for you

Edit: I take it back, you actually have praised them lots in the past
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Suzuki and Caufield are legit first liners and Laine is just a beautiful man, I think this should be common knowledge by now
 
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Frank Drebin said:
Laine > Wennberg
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You’re living in a dream world. How can I trust any of your arguments about Hutson as good faith, now?

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Nvm, I can see it
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TheBeard said:
The habs are where they are because they’re getting offensive contributions up and down the lineup. They already have 12 players in double digits on goals. Sharks will be lucky to have 5.
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It's mostly because St Louis spread the TOI evently between the bottom 3 lines. Montreal basically has one 1st line and three legit 3rd line.

Montreal has 10 players playing on average 14+ minutes. SJ has only 8 players playing 14+ minutes on average. Of all players in SJ playing 14+ all but one scored 10 goals. And the one who did not has 9 so he could very well finish with 10.

SJ sold at the deadline and Montreal did not. This also skew the result. SJ has 7 players who scored 10 goals this year. Zetterlund, Kenin and Grandlund were traded but they still scored 10 goals for SJ this year while wering a SJ jersey.
 
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LaP said:
It's mostly because St Louis spread the TOI evently between the bottom 3 lines. Montreal basically has one 1st line and three legit 3rd line.

Montreal has 10 players playing on average 14+ minutes. SJ has only 8 players playing 14+ minutes on average. Of all players in SJ playing 14+ all but one scored 10 goals. And the one who did not has 9 so he could very well finish with 10.

SJ sold at the deadline and Montreal did not. This also skew the result. SJ has 7 players who scored 10 goals this year. Zetterlund, Kenin and Grandlund were traded but they still scored 10 goals for SJ this year while wering a SJ jersey.
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That's fair, but also a testament to the depth the Habs have and the importance of having it. Sharks ultimately front-loaded the top line (or two lines), so most of the scoring came from being thrown onto Celebrini's wing (in Kunin's case for example).

In other words regardless of when Hutson is on the ice there's a decent bet there's at least a sliver of offensive capabilities playing up front. Most teams know playing the sharks, the gameplay is shut down Celebrini's line and you're shutting down their entire offense.
 
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You can make a strong case for any of the Top 3.

Celebrini is on the worst team and has the best PPG.

Hutson has the most points, as a dman, and is an integral part of a team fighting for a Playoff spot.

Michkov is also on a shit team, had to deal with notorious ballbuster Torts, and has the most Goals and the best PP/60

You really can't go wrong this season with any of the 3.

Edit: Top 4, because Wolf.
 
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Rebels57 said:
You can make a strong case for any of the Top 3.

Celebrini is on the worst team and has the best PPG.

Hutson has the most points, as a dman, and is an integral part of a team fighting for a Playoff spot.

Michkov is also on a shit team, had to deal with notorious ballbuster Torts, and has the most Goals and the best PP/60

You really can't go wrong this season with any of the 3.
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...Wolf is also still a very viable candidate...this is the best Calder race in many years and might be the tightest vote...
 
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SannywithoutCompy said:
In case anyone was wondering the burden Hutson has been bearing this last month:

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Incredible.

I really thought Montreal was going to crater when Guhle went down. Game over, no way they make the playoffs. But... Hutson has been absolutely awesome. I'm suprised the Habs are that bad without him but I guess I shouldn't be. Montreal needs Guhle back in the worst way.
 
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Frank Drebin said:
Its not that. At least it isn't to me. Having the best offensive season for a defenseman since Nick Lidstrom back in 1991 (that is 34 years ago!) with the 320 goal Red Wings, while Hutson is doing it on the 250 goal Canadiens. 34 years is a LONG time.

I have no problem acknowledging that the other rookies have had incredible seasons, and that Celebrini will likely be the better player in the future.

I just don't know how you can look past the historical significance of Hutsons season.
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At this point, Hutson is the right choice. We'll see how it all shakes out but what he's doing is just too good to be ignored. You're talking about a top 5 rookie season all time for a blueliner. The others are having great years and may go onto better careers, but relatively speaking I think Hutson's the right choice.

What I think of course... doesn't matter at all. This thing could go in any which way.
 
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Frank Drebin said:
everyone forgets the HF braintrust pre season predictions. Habs were definitely predicted. to be a lottery team, and I bet a lot of these pessimistic predictions were made by the same taters that are using lane's strong team against him for the calder.


I pity these people, desperately hoping for the failure of another team instead of just cheering for your own and enjoying the sport.
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Swear Habs were predicted to be "in the mix" or something, don't need to change narrative to make a point
 
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