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Epic Calder Race 2024-25

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Zegs2sendhelp said:
Why not dig into 2ndary assist or something.
Sure let's dig in to direct evidence of Hutson's great impact
Playoff race is a team thing Hutson isn’t carrying Montreal, Montreal has a solid core that’s a few years ahead of San Jose. And why would playoff race have anything to do with Calder.
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Because being the de facto 1C on a basement no expectations team is not as challenging as stepping in as a top pairing D on a team that is reliant on him to be in the playoff hunt. Even with the improved forwards the Habs have, without Hutson the team would have a gigantic hole on the blueline, especially with Guhle injured.
 
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HabzSauce said:
At the end of the day all 3 are more than deserving of the Calder. I think we're splitting hairs here it's that close

My vote is Hutson tho. He has had the more impressive season IMO. Celebrini is getting tough minutes too but Hutson has had a bigger impact on his team success.

Wolf would be my #3
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Honest question: is this actually true?

The sharks success is limited, but Celebrini is unquestionably the most impactful player.

Montreal just has way more talent, and better talent, around Hutson that I can't imagine he alone has had a bigger impact, hence the question.
 
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tiburon12 said:
Honest question: is this actually true?

The sharks success is limited, but Celebrini is unquestionably the most impactful player.

Montreal just has way more talent, and better talent, around Hutson that I can't imagine he alone has had a bigger impact, hence the question.
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No clue how you can argue celebrini here when they're dead last. Celebrini doesn't make a difference in the standings.....Meanwhile the Habs arent even sniffing WC if it weren't for Huston's impact.

This is essentially same team as last year when Habs were bottom 5. Carrier & Laine being the major additions, and Laine has really only been a factor on the PP. Hutson averages almost 23 min/game and the whole offence flows through him, it's beautiful to watch
 
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HabzSauce said:
No clue how you can argue celebrini here when they're dead last. Celebrini doesn't make a difference in the standings.....Meanwhile the Habs arent even sniffing WC if it weren't for Huston's impact.

This is essentially same team as last year when Habs were bottom 5. Carrier & Laine being the major additions, and Laine has really only been a factor on the PP. Hutson averages almost 23 min/game and the whole offence flows through him, it's beautiful to watch
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This isn't a question of who is the better player or who is having the better season; it's a question about who is making a bigger difference on their team. Celebrini is at an advantage in this comparison because he has far less talent around him.

Do you really not think Suzuki and Caufield and Laine are also having gigantic impacts on the Habs? How can you say the whole offense flows through him when Suzuki and Caufield have more points?

I'm just a little puzzled why those forwards aren't getting the respect they deserve for stepping up and leading the team. This thread makes is seem like it's all Lane, as if he's the same as 2023 Karlsson. When you watch the games the Habs have a lot of good things going for them, which was not the case for the 2023 Sharks.
 
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Habssince89 said:
He's playing important minutes every night as a Damn. Celebrini isnt being tasked with making the playoffs. Also the pressure in Montreal will ALWAYS out-do SJ. Sorry but that's not debatable
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What is debatable is whether being in a playoff race or playing for a high profile franchise has any bearing on the Calder race. Bedard would probably suggest it doesn’t.
 
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Mattb124 said:
What is debatable is whether being in a playoff race or playing for a high profile franchise has any bearing on the Calder race. Bedard would probably suggest it doesn’t.
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Tell that who is suggesting that if the Flames make the playoffs woll should win. Well if they don't and the Habs make the playoffs i guess than Lane should win.
Bedard would also claim plus/minus also has no factor but i see a lot using it to try to shit on Lane.
 
Star Platinum said:
I think age, being the #1 pick, and having gotten his stats in fewer games than the other skaters will help him in the voting. I do think it's hard to pass on a defenseman that outpoints a forward though.
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I think being the #1 pick should hurt his chances. You would think a 1st rd forward pick should easily outproduce a 64th small d-man pick who wasn't even suppose to make the show. Problem is that forward isn't .
 
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HabzSauce said:
No clue how you can argue celebrini here when they're dead last.
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Because he is a better player. This is the point of the award, has zero to do with team success.

"To the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition"

The Sharks have Celebrini on the ice at the end of the game when they have the lead. Meanwhile, Hutson barely sees the ice with a lead in the last minutes. Hutson sees the 2nd fewest defensive zone starts in the entire NHL for defenseman who have played more than 20 games. He is an amazing QB offensively and a liability defensively. Celebrini is not a liability is his own zone.

Also, the Sharks had 47 pts all of last year and this year they already have 47 points with 12 games to go. They have improved this year just as much as Montreal has and it's ALL because of him.
 
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spintheblackcircle said:
Because he is a better player. This is the point of the award, has zero to do with team success.

"To the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition"

The Sharks have Celebrini on the ice at the end of the game when they have the lead. Meanwhile, Hudson barely sees the ice with a lead in the last minutes. Hudson sees the 2nd fewest defensive zone starts in the entire NHL for defenseman who have played more than 20 games. He is an amazing QB offensively and a liability defensively. Celebrini is not a liability is his own zone.
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Any particular reason you’re purposefully misspelling Hutsons name? I don’t really take issue with the general premise of what you’re saying but it just comes across as childish and petty
 
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The race is very close but to me, Hutson stepping up as one of the most productive defensemen in the entire league on a competitive team should give him an edge.

"yEaH BUt hUtSsoN iz bEtTeR srOuNDeD cUz tEh Hab aRe A betTer TEaM"

We were right next to the Sharks in the standings in 22-23. And last season we were bottom 6 again.
The Habs have basically swapped Monahan for Laine and made some other minor adjustments. We've even have our typical injuries.

Hutson is the huge change we made. Hutson coming in and being so dominant at his age has had a huge impact on this team. That is what allowed us to climb up in the standings and flirt with a PO spot.
 
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Jeune Poulet said:
Hutson is the huge change we made. Hutson coming in and being so dominant at his age has had a huge impact on this team. That is what allowed us to climb up in the standings and flirt with a PO spot.
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Their defense has improved more than their offense, and that isn't because of Hutson.

Laine is the reason why Montreal is better this year, they haven't lost a single game in regulation when he has a goal.

21-12-6 with Laine

12-15-3 without Laine.
 
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zizbuka said:
It's Celebrini easily for me. I enjoy watching the Sharks now, he's so dynamic. Hutson is good, but he's another defenseman playing like a forward. Lack of defense has to be a ding.
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The lack of defense is only in your mind. It's something you made-up. He has the most minutes at 5v5 on the Habs and has a 5v5 GA/60 of 2.68 in 69 games.

Habs use one top 4 pairing for offensive push, the other pairing for defensive assignments. Hutson is their best offensive D, so MSL would be dumb to foist him on defensive assignments as a rookie when he's more useful to create offense.

Here's something that's not made-up: Hutson is 4 points away from holding the #10 position for all time rookie dmen. 7 points away from becoming only the 10th rookie dman to reach 60 points. A rookie dman who is top 10 in points among all dmen in the league. 3rd best pointer on his team. Celebrini might get close to top 50 rookie forward in points. Top 30 if you count ppg.

And he's not playing like a forward. He's the one handling transitions, from the defensive zone. Despite handling the puck so much, he's middle of the pack in giveaway/60.
 
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spintheblackcircle said:
Their defense has improved more than their offense, and that isn't because of Hutson.

Laine is the reason why Montreal is better this year, they haven't lost a single game in regulation when he has a goal.

21-12-6 with Laine

12-15-3 without Laine.
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Damn Laine is the reason? There was a thread on the main board about how washed up he was like a week ago.
 
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