admiralcadillac
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Epic Calder Race 2024-25
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Trophy Tracker: Hutson of Canadiens picked to win Calder as rookie of year | NHL.com
Celebrini, Wolf also among favorites at 3-quarter mark of season by NHL.com panel
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Close race indeed. Hutson being the frontrunner but certainly not running away with it
Trophy Tracker: Hutson of Canadiens picked to win Calder as rookie of year | NHL.com
Celebrini, Wolf also among favorites at 3-quarter mark of season by NHL.com panel
Close race indeed. Hutson being the frontrunner but certainly not running away with it
Didn't see this until after posting are the 16 panel members on NHL.com all voters?
also from the panel,
As of right now I'd say yes given the voting odds last ESPN panel of voters and looking at how each player has done since that poll.
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Well, it would start to make sense if you stepped back for a moment to consider the role Celebrini is playing on his team vs Hutson and the effect they have on play relative to the team around them.
Hutson is having a great year, no doubt, but is on a team that has performed above expectations across the board. He's able to have a leading role on the powerplay, while vets like Matheson, Guhle, and others soak up difficult defensive assignments.
Mack is a no doubt 1C at 18 (!) years old and has taken on a defensively responsible game while getting a higher PPG than any rookie in this class. Hutson is a fantastic 21 y/o defenseman, but he is very clearly still has a negative defensive impact on the whole. I get that he has takeaways are higher and such, but Hutson's O-zone starts are higher (65%) vs Mack (55%) and Mack has a better overall impact on his teams chances (51.3% CF) vs Hutson at 50.7% CF. Mack is controlling the puck more (on a worse possession team) and getting than Hutson is while getting less time in the offensive zone.
I don't generally rely on the advance stats to tell the whole story about a player, but in a strong Calder race like this one, I think deployment and impact make a difference. Eye test is one thing, and both fan bases will say their guy is the best, so why not look at objective measures?
it would be just as easy for a voter to lean toward Celebrini if their stats are similar because he is generating those results with a less talented supporting cast. Again, the Calder is related to player performance and not team results, and the only player in the Calder race that could been seen to be “lead(ing) their clubs to the play-offs” is Wolf, but even that is a stretch.
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Based on what you quoted (linked again here), I think it's fair to say that the race is neck and neck between Celebrini and Hutson. I'd be surprised if the Vegas lines don't move them closer together.
Yes, it's NHL.com and not a panel of PHWA voters who will actually vote, but I have to believe it's fairly representative of the conversations happening. But we will see!
It’s strange that despite all the pumping of Wolf’s tires you don’t even know how to spell his name in any of your posts.
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How can you ignore the impact a player has on their team's performance? And if that player's impact ends up as the major contributing factor in achieving a playoff spot, I think to ignore that one is being wilfully blind.
I suspect that if SJ was in a playoff spot or at least close to achieving that goal, you too would be beating that drum.
