Epic Calder Race 2024-25

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Some are too sensitive. Those were vanilla PP assists but a point is a point and, for rookies, the vanilla nature of the assist is less significant.

Ironically in the first game against Buffalo, Hutson got a secondary assist at ES where he literally did all the hard work. 7:24 of this vid

Points are points, they all count!

 

[Miller Time]

I've noticed a pattern of you making stupid accusations and then not being able to back them up, so this sort of response isn't surprising.

So I made it easy for you Search results for query: Hutson

When I haven't been pumping Lane's tires, I've been defending him against detractors. You'd know that if you had a better grasp on the language.

Lol... Find a bigger shovel.

Care to post about the Calder race yet? If not, spare the rest of the board these vacuous post and keep your obsession with me to PM.

 

[bud12]

Sure I actually provided quite a bit of context there and didn't say tied for 5th with zero SH TOI right?

I also stated that some voters will look at counting stats and not dig deeper which is a positive for Hutson getting votes so maybe ultra fans need to take a break here when stuff is pointed out like the betting lines and actual voter surveys with some statistical barrage and then comments like the Habs are a near playoff team because of Hutson when it's hyperbole.

Every player has 20ish games left so there is no winner yet.

you 100% nithpicked his ES time in ONE GAME to try to dismiss him and fill your void. This is pointing stat without context.
Hutson is the one who play the most at 5v5 this year for the habs on D

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Lol... Find a bigger shovel.

Care to post about the Calder race yet? If not, spare the rest of the board these vacuous post and keep your obsession with me to PM.

I've already posted my most thoughts on the race. Again with the reading comprehension.

Hutson with a 76 point pace in his last 40 games, which is right around when he got promoted to PP1. He leads all dmen in PP scoring in that span.

Still crazy to me that he didn't start the season there, that never made sense. No offense to Matheson.

Kid is such an elite puck mover, and you can see how much he's learned this year. Didn't take him long to figure out what he can get away with and what he can't.

There's no way he doesn't win the Calder if he holds onto the rookie scoring lead.

Care to back up your baseless accusations? If not, please don't engage me again.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I've noticed a pattern of you making stupid accusations and then not being able to back them up, so this sort of response isn't surprising.

So I made it easy for you Search results for query: Hutson

When I haven't been pumping Lane's tires, I've been defending him against detractors. You'd know that if you had a better grasp on the language.

To be fair, I remember you being a bit overcritical of Hutson at the start of this thread.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

To be fair, I remember you being a bit overcritical of Hutson at the start of this thread.

There's nothing in any of my posts in this thread that are really critical at all:

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I was critical of his defensive play during the first few weeks of the season (in other threads), but his defensive play was pretty clearly worthy of criticism at the time (he had not yet found the right balance between risk and reward). But it didn't take him long to figure it out, and he's been much better ever since.

 

[Herschel]

I think you're oblivious of where Hutson stands in regards to historic rookie dmen accomplishments. He'll finish somewhere around 5th to 10th most points by a rookie dman. Highly likely that he will finish at least #2 all time for rookie D assists, if he doesn't beat the record. Top5 all-time for rookie D ES points.

You're the one kidding yourself by your own ignorance.

Hutson is going to finish with the highest point total by a rookie dman in the past 20 years and very likely top 3 when it comes to ppg by a D. He is going to have an amazing case for the Calder. I don't think anyone is denying that. I certainly am not.

Celebrini's case is that had he not missed 12 games he would likely finish inside the top 10 in rookie scoring over the past 20 years. He still has a good shot at posting a top 10 ppg by a rookie in the past 20 year and the 3rd best ppg by an 18 year old, the other two being Crosby and McDavid. He is doing that at the #1 line centre on the worst team in the NHL while displaying likely the most complete game any 18 years has had in recent memory.

If it comes down to just the stat lines Hutson is going to win. If the voters consider age and all zones it likely goes to Celebrini.

 

[wasup]

Guys on here saying this one has more points he should win , no this guy has too many second assists no this guy has played more games etc...

The way I best evaluate this is what player would I most want on my team . This cuts out all the BS , stats etc ...

I am a Jets fan and I have no horse in the race so it does not matter to me who wins . I have now seen all three live this year as well as several times on the tube . To me it is a pretty easy one to answer .

Sorry to the fans of the other players they are great as well but it's the guy in the teal green . Whether he wins it or not , that's up in the air but Celebrini is the better player going forward imo .

 

[Mattb124]

It should be Wolf even though he is getting the least talk...

legitimately been a top 5-6 goalie in the NHL this season. If Calgary make the play-offs he will have played the biggest part. He might not have tonnes of wins... but without him they would not be in the picture.

Hellebuyck, Vasilevskiy and Thompson are the only 3 goalies who are having clearly better years as an individual.

Now, Celebrini, Michkov and Hutson have all been great. But none have even been top ~20 in the league in their position, let alone top 5.

Wolf is 8th in Sv% and 16th in GAA (min 20 games played). Not understanding how you get top 5-6 or that he has been outstanding amongst his peers using those lenses.

The notion of judging players by whether they are top ~20 at their position is pointless because NHL teams don’t have the same number of goalies as F or D. The sensible way to compare them would be to rank the players against their peers. For Wolf, his sv% and GAA are 85th and 69th percentile, respectively, relative to peers (min 20 games played). Hutson is 96th percentile in PGP for D and Celebrini’s PGP is 88th percentile among F, both more impressive by comparison.

 

[FerrisRox]

Listen, Celebrini is really f***ing good, Mitchkov could become an offensive dynamo, Wolf could be a top 5 goalie in the league, but nothing those guys are doing are breaking records. Hutson is literally breaking records right now for a rookie defenseman and he is chasing some more...

What records do you think Huston is "literally" breaking right now?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Hutson is going to finish with the highest point total by a rookie dman in the past 20 years and very likely top 3 when it comes to ppg by a D. He is going to have an amazing case for the Calder. I don't think anyone is denying that. I certainly am not.

Celebrini's case is that had he not missed 12 games he would likely finish inside the top 10 in rookie scoring over the past 20 years. He still has a good shot at posting a top 10 ppg by a rookie in the past 20 year and the 3rd best ppg by an 18 year old, the other two being Crosby and McDavid. He is doing that at the #1 line centre on the worst team in the NHL while displaying likely the most complete game any 18 years has had in recent memory.

If it comes down to just the stat lines Hutson is going to win. If the voters consider age and all zones it likely goes to Celebrini.

There's so many errors in your post. Barzal did 85 points just 7 years ago as a rookie. Celebrini has a far worst +/- than Hutson while getting less minus from empty net and having less TOI. At 5v5, Hutson's +/- and GA/60 are also better than Celebrini. It's not just the stat line, it's a historical stat line, the top 10 rookie D hasn't seen a new entry in over 30 years (Lidstrom), not 20. And in regards to age, it's inconsequential when you realize forwards come in earlier than dmen on average because the learning curve for dmen is a lot steeper. There's also the fact Hutson is top 10 for points among all Ds for this season and might finish close to top 5.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

There's nothing in any of my posts in this thread that are really critical at all:

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I was critical of his defensive play during the first few weeks of the season (in other threads), but his defensive play was pretty clearly worthy of criticism at the time (he had not yet found the right balance between risk and reward). But it didn't take him long to figure it out, and he's been much better ever since.

I just remembered it was in the Burgeoning Star thread. You were overcritical. A rookie D in his first 20 games.. what else would you expect?

 

[Herschel]

There's so many errors in your post. Barzal did 85 points just 7 years ago as a rookie.

How is this pointing out an error? Barzal's rookie season place him tied for 3rd in rookie points and 5th in PPG over the past 20 years. Celebrini will not come close to either of these.

It's not just the stat line, it's a historical stat line

Hutson's stat line is incredible, no arguments from me.

And in regards to age, it's inconsequential when you realize forwards come in earlier than dmen on average because the learning curve for dmen is a lot steeper.

To you age may be inconsequential, but I suspect to some of the voters it will play a factor. Perhaps I am wrong with that assessment

 

[Andrei79]

Can't believe that the Habs aren't a clear playoff team given how some of their supporters talk about their player either right?

Hutson is gaining on Celebrini as the voters love stats but did anyone look and see that in a close playoff race game Huston was 3rd in TOI for Habs Dmen last night and 4th at ES even with Guhle out?

Now voters won't care a lot but some of the brakes here need to pumped a bit.

What a strange comment considering he's first in ES ice time on the team. The reason why he wasn't that particular game, if you cared to inform yourself, is because he played on the right side, baby sitting Struble. Hutson has been the driver for this team during the push along with Suzuki. Just a brutal post.

 

[Frank Drebin]

This part is fair but Wolf is also playing goal for the Calgary Flames who many had as a non playoff team and his stats are much better than the 1B goalies on the team.

Also just to be clear neither Celebrini nor Hutson are top 20 at their positions yet right?

64goalies

192 defensemen
384 forwards
a top 10 goalie is the same as a top 30 dman or top 60 F. Both of which Hutson/Celebrini are.

 

[Frank Drebin]

“Epic”

Awesome rookie crop.

 

[Andrei79]

What records do you think Huston is "literally" breaking right now?

He's going for the assist record as a rookie defenseman. Also most points by a rookie D as a Canadiens and most assist by a rookie D as a Canadiens. It will be hard to beat Chelios however.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

What records do you think Huston is "literally" breaking right now?

Record breaking maybe a very slight exaggeration, but he's doing stuff that hasn't been done in 30+ years.

Yesterday he broke some random scrub named Chris Chelios' record of fastest Canadiens rookie defenseman to hit 50 points.

He had a 9 game point assist streak, tying the longest NHL assist streak by a rookie defenseman all-time.

He's the first rookie defenseman since some scrub named Nick Lidstrom to get 40 assists in less than 60 games.

 

[LaP]

Can't believe that the Habs aren't a clear playoff team given how some of their supporters talk about their player either right?

Hutson is gaining on Celebrini as the voters love stats but did anyone look and see that in a close playoff race game Huston was 3rd in TOI for Habs Dmen last night and 4th at ES even with Guhle out?

Now voters won't care a lot but some of the brakes here need to pumped a bit.

The reason is because the habs doesn't have a 2nd line and is missing a top 4 RHD. The fact the team is almost in a playoffs spot with a 2nd line made of Laine-Dach-Newhook is kind of crazy. The 2nd center who took the most faceoffs on the team is Jake Evans let that sink in for a few beers.

He's the stats for the CH since mid december 15th (last 31 games) :

Suzuki 35 points +5 (tied 10th in NHL with Crosby and Teravainen)
Caufield 28 points +1
Hutson 28 points -1 (4th among NHL dmen)
Laine 20 points -6
Slafkovsky 20 points +3
Newhook 15 points -2
Dach 13 points -8
Evans 13 points +5

As you can see after Suzuki, Caufield, Hutson, Laine and Slaf there's no much offensive production there. Bunch of guys who work hard (some with terrible contracts) and play well but not much production anyway certainly not enough for a 2nd line.

 

[Miller Time]

I've already posted my most thoughts on the race. Again with the reading comprehension.


Care to back up your baseless accusations? If not, please don't engage me again.

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Funny, all I keep reading is more empty posts about me, and nothing about this fantastic Calder race. Hope you can stick to the topic at hand going forward.

 

[KevinRedkey]

He's going for the assist record as a rookie defenseman. Also most points by a rookie D as a Canadiens and most assist by a rookie D as a Canadiens. It will be hard to beat Chelios however.

I was gonna comment saying team records aren't 'real' records... and they kinda aren't - but the Habs have been around so long that it certainly has more merit than a Vegas record (for example).

This would be my ballot as of today:
1. Hudson
2. Celebrini
3. Michkov
4. Wolf
5. Bolduc

 

[Frank Drebin]

Hutsons season is more impressive than Lidstroms rookie season. Now lets all remember Lidstrom didn't win his first Norris trophy till he was 31 so not comparing the players.

91-92 Red wings scored 320 goals in 80 games and finished with 98 points
21 year old Lidstrom was 6th on the team in scoring with 60 points.

24-25 habs pacing for 247 goals in 82 games pacing for 87 points in a 3 point season.

Hutson 3rd on the team in scoring, pacing for 65 points in 82 games

But lets not forget the covid shortened season where Makar paced for 72 points and Hughes paced for 64

 

[hohosaregood]

age is unfair man. if macklin was a 20 yo rookie, he'd be killing it.

 

[FerrisRox]

He's going for the assist record as a rookie defenseman. Also most points by a rookie D as a Canadiens and most assist by a rookie D as a Canadiens. It will be hard to beat Chelios however.

The poster claimed he was "literally breaking records right now."

He is not.

The rookie assist record is 60... he's got work to do to get there. Chelios posted 64 points as a rookie... that would also require a very strong finish.

He's having a tremendous season, but he hasn't broken any records right now, literally or figuratively, and claiming that he is only adds hyperbole to a thread filled with it.

 

[Frank Drebin]

age is unfair man. if macklin was a 20 yo rookie, he'd be killing it.

best season not best player.