Epic Calder Race 2024-25

[bonneaug]

He's gonna blow past any defensemen total pts record of the 2000's. Better pace than Quinn Hughes, might end up posting 60+pts... If the guy blasts through Lidstrom's numbers, becomes sixth best rookie scorer of all time and is the gatekeeper behind 80's pts insanity, what else does it takes to win the Calder?

I feel for Celebrini tho, we all acknowledge he's gonna be a complete stud, but what Hutson is doing is on par, if not better than also Calder-winner Makar.

 

[Kegs]

running away but far from over. One of the best calder race in a long time

The amount of points this kids putting up as a rookie defenseman is unheard of. I’d say it’s pretty close to over

 

[coooldude]

I've been periodically posting the betting lines -- the lines do trail performance a bit, but a reminder that this is basically a combo of 1) the entire world of sports betting's best bet on the future, 2) the sports books trying to set the lines in a way that encourages everyone to bet. This is not a personal insult, this is just where people who are putting money on the future, are putting that money.

Calder Trophy Odds as of today

• Celebrini down from -300 to -240 to -275 = implied odds of 71-73% (down from 75%) = still the front runner but weakening a bit
• Hutson up to +250 to +330 = implied odds of 23-29% = he's getting closer but still hasn't surpassed the "first overall" / "18yo" / "first line center" effect
• Michkov +700 to +1000, implied 9-13% odds = the market isn't yet buying that his heater since the break will continue and surpass the top two
• Wolf way down at +2000 to +3300 = basically Vegas/oddsmakers/people betting think that a Goalie beating any of the other 3 is way too long a shot, even if he's having an amazing year

So if Hutson is indeed running away with it, get your bets in now!

 

[wetcoast]

Just can't believe MTL got their hand on Lane Hutson, it's the biggest steal in the last few years.

He's electric.

Can't believe that the Habs aren't a clear playoff team given how some of their supporters talk about their player either right?

Hutson is gaining on Celebrini as the voters love stats but did anyone look and see that in a close playoff race game Huston was 3rd in TOI for Habs Dmen last night and 4th at ES even with Guhle out?

Now voters won't care a lot but some of the brakes here need to pumped a bit.

 

[EveryDay]

Can't believe that the Habs aren't a clear playoff team given how some of their supporters talk about their player either right?

Hutson is gaining on Celebrini as the voters love stats but did anyone look and see that in a close playoff race game Huston was 3rd in TOI for Habs Dmen last night and 4th at ES even with Guhle out?

Now voters won't care a lot but some of the brakes here need to pumped a bit.

Montreal was projected bottom 5 this year and are now 1 pts from a playoff spot.

It's because of Hutson.

 

[bud12]

The amount of points this kids putting up as a rookie defenseman is unheard of. I’d say it’s pretty close to over

Yes, it's really impressive. The fact that he wasnt even on the pp1 for the first 25 games of the season and he's the leading scorer his something else but there still 20 games to play. Anything can happen

 

[wetcoast]

Hutson is 4th in the league in points by a defenseman and is just as important to Montreal being in the playoff picture as Wolf is to Calgary. Its also a lot different to be a top 20 D or forward than goalie. There are 32 starting goalies in the league, 192 starting D, and 384 starting forwards.

This part is fair but Wolf is also playing goal for the Calgary Flames who many had as a non playoff team and his stats are much better than the 1B goalies on the team.

Also just to be clear neither Celebrini nor Hutson are top 20 at their positions yet right?

 

[Guy Larose]

Can't believe that the Habs aren't a clear playoff team given how some of their supporters talk about their player either right?

Hutson is gaining on Celebrini as the voters love stats but did anyone look and see that in a close playoff race game Huston was 3rd in TOI for Habs Dmen last night and 4th at ES even with Guhle out?

Now voters won't care a lot but some of the brakes here need to pumped a bit.

So what you're saying is that he's getting all these points while not even palying top minutes....strenghtening your position there

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

“Epic”

 

[Kegs]

Age is always part of the narrative, at least with some of the voters.
Panarin won the rookie scoring title by almost 30 points, that was more than enough to over come the age difference.

What really makes things interesting is trying to figure out how the voters are going to make their decision. If Hutson and Celebrini finish only a few points apart, there will be voters who will look at Celebrini's better ppg and give him the nod. Likewise, there will be voters who would give Hutson the nod since he is a D.

I think anyone who claims that it is currently a runaway for either Celebrini or Hutson is kidding themselves.

Hutson plays defense. He shouldn’t even hit 50 points as a rookie. If they are only a couple of points behind then it should go to Hutson. Celebrini has to put up a lot more points as far as I’m concerned. If Hutson puts up 75 celebrini needs 90-100.


Maybe if celebrini was carrying his team into the playoffs.


If the season ended today it should be unanimous. Hutson is probably breaking records with his offence. I root for a team in the east. I’ve seen him play a handful of times. He stands out like crazy.

 

[wetcoast]

Montreal was projected bottom 5 this year and are now 1 pts from a playoff spot.

sure some did but I bet you many Habs fans posting here didn't right?

It's because of Hutson.

In Decmeber when Laine came back the teams fortunes changed dramtically.

Huston has been good but don't undersell the rest of the team and how they have played here.

Here is the statistical breakdwn since Laine's return and yes hutson has been vert good but it's been a team effort.

NHL Stats

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the Habs goaltending has also been better since then.

NHL Stats

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[pepperMonkey]

Also just to be clear enither Celebrini nor Hutson are top 20 at their positions yet right?

Hutson is tied for 4th in the league in points for a NHL defensemen.

 

[Karma Police]

This part is fair but Wolf is also playing goal for the Calgary Flames who many had as a non playoff team and his stats are much better than the 1B goalies on the team.

Also just to be clear neither Celebrini nor Hutson are top 20 at their positions yet right?

Hutson is 4th in the NHL in points for defenseman...

 

[wetcoast]

So what you're saying is that he's getting all these points while not even palying top minutes....strenghtening your position there

People watch the games, he is excellent offensively and his points surge has been on the PP.

My comments are the hyperbole about Hutson being a one man saviour and equivalents, although to be fair it's a vocal minority.

Hutson is 4th in the NHL in points for defenseman...

Sure he is tied for 4th with 3 other guys who have played less games.

No one has ever question his offense and playmaking and he is gaining on Celebrini but people are constantly pointing out stats without context.

And to be fair some voters will rely more on stats without context but it's still a 2man race and maybe Wolf with Michkov well behind.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Following up a bad take with petty insults is a common theme in your posting...
Sensitive much lol

Hutson's game is impressive, no doubt, just imagine how much more you'd appreciate it if you could see past primary assists

You said that my comment about those pedestrian secondary assists "Explains a lot of your posts this year about Hutson lol."

Please show some of the many posts where I was allegedly critical of Hutson.

I understand English probably isn't your first language, but I've been pumping his tires pretty much non-stop this year, which is why I questioned your reading comprehension.

 

[Karma Police]

People watch the games, he is excellent offensively and his points surge has been on the PP.

My comments are the hyperbole about Hutson being a one man saviour and equivalents, although to be fair it's a vocal minority.


Sure he is tied for 4th with 3 other guys who have played less games.

No one has ever question his offense and playmaking and he is gaining on Celebrini but people are constantly pointing out stats without context.

And to be fair some voters will rely more on stats without context but it's still a 2man race and maybe Wolf with Michkov well behind.

Listen, Celebrini is really f***ing good, Mitchkov could become an offensive dynamo, Wolf could be a top 5 goalie in the league, but nothing those guys are doing are breaking records. Hutson is literally breaking records right now for a rookie defenseman and he is chasing some more...

The facts aren't about undermining the other players talent and what they bring to the game, I think they are all really great players.. it's just that Hutson is doing something that only 2 players did in recent years, Makar and Hughes.

This isn't comparing him to them, it's about what the stats tells you.

The stats don't tell you what Hutson does on the ice, the guy could have 10 more assists this year if we could finish the plays, he is breaking plays, he's not a defensive defenseman, he's an offensive defenseman and he's f***ing great at it.

 

[bud12]

People watch the games, he is excellent offensively and his points surge has been on the PP.

My comments are the hyperbole about Hutson being a one man saviour and equivalents, although to be fair it's a vocal minority.


Sure he is tied for 4th with 3 other guys who have played less games.

No one has ever question his offense and playmaking and he is gaining on Celebrini but people are constantly pointing out stats without context.

And to be fair some voters will rely more on stats without context but it's still a 2man race and maybe Wolf with Michkov well behind.

Pointing stats without context like his ES time in one game filled with pp and pk?

 

[Gravity]

You said that my comment about those pedestrian secondary assists "Explains a lot of your posts this year about Hutson lol."

Please show some of the many posts where I was allegedly critical of Hutson.

I understand English probably isn't your first language, but I've been pumping his tires pretty much non-stop this year, which is why I questioned your reading comprehension.

Some are too sensitive. Those were vanilla PP assists but a point is a point and, for rookies, the vanilla nature of the assist is less significant.

Ironically in the first game against Buffalo, Hutson got a secondary assist at ES where he literally did all the hard work. 7:24 of this vid

 

[Miller Time]

You said that my comment about those pedestrian secondary assists "Explains a lot of your posts this year about Hutson lol."

Please show some of the many posts where I was allegedly critical of Hutson.

I understand English probably isn't your first language, but I've been pumping his tires pretty much non-stop this year, which is why I questioned your reading comprehension.

Lol... Keep digging. Bad take is a bad take, no need to look far to find those in your posting history.

In other news, Hutson continued his strong play last night, above and beyond the scoresheet... At least for those who understand the game of hockey.

Been a while since the league had 4 rookies with legit claims to ROY. Last stretch will be a treat to see who closes the deal. Long term, I suspect Hutson and Celibrini end up definitively separating themselves from the other two.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I mean, tied 4th... but 8th in P/GP...

and ofc more to being a good Dman than points... he is damn good but -15 with under 50% Corsi and xGF.

FFS, do I have to do this every two pages of this thread. Instead of looking at ES stats, which include empty netters, go look at 5v5 stats. Most of his minus is from empty net goals (0gf/13ga). He's -2 at 5v5.

He was -6 at 5v5 in his first 21 games, but he's been +4 at 5v5 in his last 40 games.

 

[wetcoast]

Pointing stats without context like his ES time in one game filled with pp and pk?

Sure I actually provided quite a bit of context there and didn't say tied for 5th with zero SH TOI right?

I also stated that some voters will look at counting stats and not dig deeper which is a positive for Hutson getting votes so maybe ultra fans need to take a break here when stuff is pointed out like the betting lines and actual voter surveys with some statistical barrage and then comments like the Habs are a near playoff team because of Hutson when it's hyperbole.

Every player has 20ish games left so there is no winner yet.

 

[Canadienna]

I also stated that some voters will look at counting stats and not dig deeper which is a positive for Hutson getting votes so maybe ultra fans need to take a break here when stuff is pointed out like the betting lines and actual voter surveys with some statistical barrage and then comments like the Habs are a near playoff team because of Hutson when it's hyperbole.

The Habs are near a playoff spot because of Hutson.

It's not hyperbole.

Also don't act like the "counting stats" are the only thing in Hutson's favour. It's giving second hand embarrassment.

The only worthwhile thing you posted is that the race isn't over yet. That's true, and I'd say it's pretty neck and neck.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I think anyone who claims that it is currently a runaway for either Celebrini or Hutson is kidding themselves.

I think you're oblivious of where Hutson stands in regards to historic rookie dmen accomplishments. He'll finish somewhere around 5th to 10th most points by a rookie dman. Highly likely that he will finish at least #2 all time for rookie D assists, if he doesn't beat the record. Top5 all-time for rookie D ES points.

You're the one kidding yourself by your own ignorance.

Some are too sensitive. Those were vanilla PP assists but a point is a point and, for rookies, the vanilla nature of the assist is less significant.

Ironically in the first game against Buffalo, Hutson got a secondary assist at ES where he literally did all the hard work. 7:24 of this vid

He also was instrumental with a huge outlet pass on Caufield's goal, but didn't get an assist.

People don't realize how many chances he's created where mediocre players flubbed and missed on his passes. Easy secondary assists is just life balancing things out.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Lol... Keep digging. Bad take is a bad take, no need to look far to find those in your posting history.

I've noticed a pattern of you making stupid accusations and then not being able to back them up, so this sort of response isn't surprising.

So I made it easy for you Search results for query: Hutson

When I haven't been pumping Lane's tires, I've been defending him against detractors. You'd know that if you had a better grasp on the language.

 

[wetcoast]

The Habs are near a playoff spot because of Hutson.

It's not hyperbole.

Look I posted the statistical record since December 3rd and I know when i see a Dman leading his team to a playoff spot as I watch hughes a lot so it is hyperbole.

Also don't act like the "counting stats" are the only thing in Hutson's favour. It's giving second hand embarrassment.

It's literally 95% the case for Hutson and we saw last year with Faber a more mixed bag effort (offense, not as good as Hutson, with better defense) but every year has different dynamics.

There voters from all over the league, hutson won't get the HF Boards fan bump in actual voting when it happens after the rest of the games are played.

The only worthwhile thing you posted is that the race isn't over yet. That's true, and I'd say it's pretty neck and neck.

Sure, dismiss other people's posts out of hand that's a really strong argument and commentary there.

Perhaps do better?