Epic Calder Race 2024-25
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Doubtful. Hutson has the second most avg TOI per game on the Habs! That woud not happen if he wasn’t well rounded or reliable!
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Hutson's defensive play gets underrated. He'll probably never even be average, but he's been adequate since about December. He's improved a lot this year, specifically in terms of his decision making through the neutral zone and up ice. Earlier in the year, he was trying to force the offense, trying a lot of high risk low reward plays that ended up costing the Habs. But he's made some great adjustments throughout the season and has calmed down a lot in those dangerous areas.
That said, Celebrini's 200 foot game is definitely better than Hutson's, despite his age. He can get a bit lost when he's hemmed in the defensive zone (as 18 year old centers do) but his overall on ice impacts have been excellent due to his already elite puck carrying and play driving abilities.
I still have Hutson as the front runner though. I think Celebrini will have to outscore his former teammate by at least 4-5 points to be the favorite.
That's just plain false. There are countless instances of coaches giving out tons of ice time to defensively unreliable players. Connor Bedard is probably the least reliable center in the league but gets over 20 mins a night, and Tony freakin DeAngelo is averaging nearly 25 mins this year.
There are plenty of better arguments than appealing to authority here.
The word "epic" has totally lost its meaning
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Feeling pretty good about my projection below for Hutson from Dec 9th (he was on pace for 0 goals 55 points at the time). People doubting his goal scoring abilities clearly never watched him at BU.
Hutson's currently on pace for 5g 61p.
Michkov was on pace for 79 points at the time of that projection. I anticipated some regression, but he really went ice cold. He's on pace for 58p, but I think he'll heat back up down the stretch.
Below are my updated projections for the rookie scoring race:
- Celebrini 70gp 25 goals 62 points
- Michkov 80gp 25 goals 62 points
- Hutson 82gp 5 goals 62 points
Or they just give it to the goalie. Hard trophy for them to win but a 3 way scoring tie could split a lot of votes.
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Marco Kasper with 16 points in his last 18 games. I know he is not in the Calder Race due to a shit coach earlier in the season. What could have been if TM was the coach from the beginning of the season.
But, voters showed last year they don't care about defense, so who knows.
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Pretty wild crop
Celebrini is probably the best 1OA player drafted since Matthews in 2016 (No disrespect intended towards J. Hughes, but I think Celebrini will be the better player and certainly had the better rookie season)
Michkov best Russian Prospect in at least 10 years
Wolf best goalie prospect since Vasilevski
Hutson putting up offensive numbers not seen by a defenseman as a rookie not named Hughes or Makar since the early 90s and could very possibly crack top 10 all time rookie seasons for offense.
Celebrini is probably the best 1OA player drafted since Matthews in 2016 (No disrespect intended towards J. Hughes, but I think Celebrini will be the better player and certainly had the better rookie season)
Michkov best Russian Prospect in at least 10 years
Wolf best goalie prospect since Vasilevski
Hutson putting up offensive numbers not seen by a defenseman as a rookie not named Hughes or Makar since the early 90s and could very possibly crack top 10 all time rookie seasons for offense.
The Gr8 Dane
L'harceleur
Celebrini is disgusting , Bedard goes to bed at night and dreams he's Macklin flying out there
All those empty net against you can really destroy your fancy stats....
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lol yeah, right, that's what is doing it lol. Those fancy stats just can't capture game state and factor it in, I guess!
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I highly doubt Dustin Wolf wins it, and while he'll get some votes, he'll probably get fewer votes than he truly deserves. It's really difficult to compare goaltenders to skaters, so being a goaltender is simply a strike against him when it comes to the Calder race. It's also uncommon for goaltenders to win individual trophies that are open to all players, such as the Calder, unless they're clearly better than their (skater) competition for the award by a very large margin. That's another strike against him.
I'm not saying that he's deserving of winning it, and feel that it's Macklin Celebrini's to lose at this point of the season (unless something drastic happens), but it's an interesting thing to point out.
I'm not saying that he's deserving of winning it, and feel that it's Macklin Celebrini's to lose at this point of the season (unless something drastic happens), but it's an interesting thing to point out.
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
Celebrini vs Hutson round 2 tomorrow.
While I am a Sharks fan, so take it with a grain of salt, Celebrini clearly stands out as one of the best players on the ice (on both ends) in nearly every game he's played. Some of the other rookies are unnoticeable at times. Whether it's fair or not as well, I think he will get votes simply for being a 1st overall pick that has played this well.
While I am a Sharks fan, so take it with a grain of salt, Celebrini clearly stands out as one of the best players on the ice (on both ends) in nearly every game he's played. Some of the other rookies are unnoticeable at times. Whether it's fair or not as well, I think he will get votes simply for being a 1st overall pick that has played this well.
I think its pretty clear at least to me that Celebrini will end up the best/most impactful player out of this rookie crop. The only argument that I've ever used against him, if you want to call it that, is that the Calder goes to the player who had the best rookie season, not who is the best rookie player or who will be the best player in the future.
If michkov and celebrini tie for points and goals, then basically no matter what michkov finishes below celebrini.
Way more impressive to do it in 12 less available games. I know it is technically 10, but it was michkovs bad play that made him miss 2 games so far.
BackToTheBrierePatch
Eff Cancer
Michkov is not getting the ice time that some of the other skaters are getting because Torts is terrible
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
Yes of course. I know it's so hard to compare the F v D v G, but I just feel if it's close, the voters will lean towards the top line C that was a 1st overall pick.
Who knows, this will go down to the wire. It's awesome to watch.
Yeah, just like it was Leo Carlson's bad play that had him missing games last season.
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It's more impressive but playing less games doesn't usually favor calder winners historically.
RNH and Landeskog each had 52 points as rookies, but RNH did it in 62 games vs Landeskog's 82. Voters still gave 116 1st place votes to the Swede vs only 26 for nuge.
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