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karltonian said:
that pass in from smith was absolutely robbed twice by the goalie. macklin's gonna be replaying that one. he got everything he wanted on both those shots.
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He blew the initial pass. If he gets it up and to the right, it's an easy goal regardless. He knew it.

Rubi said:
Dustin Wolf back stopping the Flames tonight against the Leafs. Should be more interesting to watch than bottom of the barrel teams Sharks vs Habs...
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First time watching Hutson live tonight and he didn’t stand out as much as I thought he would. He looks like he belongs and had one or two cheeky plays, but I was expecting a bit more based on what I’ve read about him.
 
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Khrox said:
I mean, if we're being fair, so does Wolf. I love the Flames, but like, we're regularly running Daniil Miromanov,Jake Bean, Tyson Barrie, and Joel Hanley rotating into our top 4 defenseman.
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Please, don't look into Sharks defense. It'll give you nightmares.
 
Khrox said:
Honestly, it's still likely that that's the split. Shame Wolf had a rough game,

I mean, if we're being fair, so does Wolf. I love the Flames, but like, we're regularly running Daniil Miromanov,Jake Bean, Tyson Barrie, and Joel Hanley rotating into our top 4 defenseman. Pachal is a good 3rd pair guy, and Weegar/Andersson are the only other D-Men on the team that should be seeing regular ice-time (you can include Bahl to that when he's healthy as well). Most of us are pretty sure half our AHL team would be better options than what we've regularly been seeing. And our forwards, while exciting to see some of the younger guys get time and develop, are struggling hard to score (I'd be surprised if we had more than 6 players this season get 30+ points. Only 5 are a lock, and Sharangovich if he keeps up this hot streak will likely make it. That's about it. Not counting Frost or Farabee who will play like 30 games with the Flames this year and both have a chance to make it as well). Wolf is the only reason we aren't a bottom 5 team in the league (which sucks because no high pick that could have been used on a potential 1C that we don't have in our system or on our team, but I'm never gonna be mad that we have a young guy coming in and doing well).
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Not make this a D-measuring contest (to see whose is smaller), but compare the Flames’ second best defenseman to the Sharks’ second best (Ferraro?). The Flames don’t have it so bad.
 
Wedontneedroads said:
First time watching Hutson live tonight and he didn’t stand out as much as I thought he would. He looks like he belongs and had one or two cheeky plays, but I was expecting a bit more based on what I’ve read about him.
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He's been more quiet in his last 5 or so games. He's also forced to be a little more defensively aware when paired with Matheson. Hopefully the point he recorded gets him going again.

Btw, Celebrini and Schaefer is going to be scary. I'm jealous.
 
Dustin Wolf had a bad game last night against the Leafs. It happens.
Calgary really does need a better defence though. Rasmus Andersson and Mackenzie Weegar just aren't enough. The other 4 guys on D are at best, 3rd pairing guys if that.
Tomorrow night's game against the Avs will another good test for the team and Wolf.
 
Mattb124 said:
Not make this a D-measuring contest (to see whose is smaller), but compare the Flames’ second best defenseman to the Sharks’ second best (Ferraro?). The Flames don’t have it so bad.
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Well then its a good thing Celebrini doesn't have to worry too much about keeping the puck out of his own net, unlike Wolf.... because his -21, one of the worst +/- on the team, shows he's not that good at it.
 
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Mattb124 said:
It is, from the perspective that the poster you replied to had predicted “…..a 22-8 game split between Wolf and Vladar.” - the very same numbers in Wolf’s .828 save % from tonight’s game.

What I did find interesting is that the results from tonight with the 3 front-runners in action lined out just as the recently posted Vegas odds suggested: Celebrini > Hutson > Wolf.
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Yep
Celebrini is closing the gap on that scoring race and with Hutson going cold offensively the past half dozen games is looking like a clear favourite to win

Wolf likely won’t start 50 games and that’s going to hurt him
 
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Wedontneedroads said:
First time watching Hutson live tonight and he didn’t stand out as much as I thought he would. He looks like he belongs and had one or two cheeky plays, but I was expecting a bit more based on what I’ve read about him.
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I too don't see a no doubter top ten NHLer out of this guy.

I believe he'll have a few more cold spells this season and won't be in record territory by the end of it.

Celebrini on the other hand seems to have all the potential in the world. I could see this guy pushing for trophies in his career.

Wolf is a guy that has never gotten any real hype despite his outstanding numbers in amateur hockey and the AHL. He's small for a goalie, but he's proving it at the NHL level in real time. His AHL stats show like he could be one of the best in the NHL for a long while.
 
Rubi said:
Well then its a good thing Celebrini doesn't have to worry too much about keeping the puck out of his own net, unlike Wolf.... because his -21, one of the worst +/- on the team, shows he's not that good at it.
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Maybe because he's 18 playing top line center on the worst team in the league? It would be absurd if he had a good +/- on this sharks team.
 
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Bank Shot said:
I too don't see a no doubter top ten NHLer out of this guy.

I believe he'll have a few more cold spells this season and won't be in record territory by the end of it.
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It’s too early to spell out his career. I expect rookies to show flashes of what they can be and be inconsistent. Consistent play is the exception, not the rule.

This whole crop looks fantastic <homer>except when compared to the phenom, Celebrini</homer>
 
Stewie Griffin said:
Maybe because he's 18 playing top line center on the worst team in the league? It would be absurd if he had a good +/- on this sharks team.
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And maybe the team wouldn't be as bad as it is if their top center played a more defensively responsible game. By the time the season ends I wouldn't be surprised if his +/- was closing on -30. Thats awful... although I will say its not even close to being as bad as Connor Bedards -44 last year so maybe there's awful and then there's AWFUL.
 
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Rubi said:
I don't believe being scored on while your net is empty affects a player's +/-
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AFAIK, it does. Others can correct me if I’m wrong.

On the Hrink: Pros and cons of plus-minus

Plus-minus is a funny little statistic that can lead to big misunderstandings.
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That’s why 5 vs 5 +/- is more important/relevant. Though, you also need to factor in that +/- is heavily dependent on the quality of your team and quality of your opposition lines.
 
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Rubi said:
And maybe the team wouldn't be as bad as it is if their top center played a more defensively responsible game. By the time the season ends I wouldn't be surprised if his +/- was closing on -30. Thats awful... although I will say its not even close to being as bad as Connor Bedards -44 last year so maybe there's awful and then there's AWFUL.
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Have you ever watched Celebrini play? Or are you just here trying to use +/-, again for an 18 year old on the worst team in the league, to try to pump your own guys tires? He is always in the right position, winning battles, and is thrown out there at the end of games. One player, especially an 18 year old, will not change this Sharks team into being a positive goal differential team...that is an absolutely ridiculous take.

Celebrini is great, Wolf is great, etc. But don't bring plus/minus into the calder debate.
 
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Rubi said:
And maybe the team wouldn't be as bad as it is if their top center played a more defensively responsible game. By the time the season ends I wouldn't be surprised if his +/- was closing on -30. Thats awful... although I will say its not even close to being as bad as Connor Bedards -44 last year so maybe there's awful and then there's AWFUL.
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He's -8 on 5v5 on the worst team in the league. That's far from awful.
 
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Rubi said:
And maybe the team wouldn't be as bad as it is if their top center played a more defensively responsible game. By the time the season ends I wouldn't be surprised if his +/- was closing on -30. Thats awful... although I will say it’s not even close to being as bad as Connor Bedards -44 last year so maybe there's awful and then there's AWFUL.
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Calling Celebrini bad defensively is a good indicator you never watched him play. Then you use +\-, one of the worst ways to judge a players defense, as the only evidence to scrutinize his defense. Just from watching a couple of games and you can already tell Celebrini will be a Selke candidate in the near future. Which is also ridiculous for a 18 year old.
 
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Stewie Griffin said:
Have you ever watched Celebrini play? Or are you just here trying to use +/-, again for an 18 year old on the worst team in the league, to try to pump your own guys tires? He is always in the right position, winning battles, and is thrown out there at the end of games. One player, especially an 18 year old, will not change this Sharks team into being a positive goal differential team...that is an absolutely ridiculous take.

Celebrini is great, Wolf is great, etc. But don't bring plus/minus into the calder debate.
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That's what people use to dismiss Hutson though. I mean the kid is on his way to a 50 points season playing on the league's 16th best offense and 20th best PP all this while playing with matheson a guy who was pretty much cap dumped twice in his career.
 
LaP said:
That's what people use to dismiss Hutson though. I mean the kid is on his way to a 50 points season playing on the league's 16th best offense and 20th best PP all this while playing with matheson a guy who was pretty much cap dumped twice in his career.
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Yeah he's been great too. I wouldn't call him the calder favourite right now though.
 
Rubi said:
I don't believe being scored on while your net is empty affects a player's +/-
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That is incorrect. That is in large part what cratered EK65's +- during his most recent Norris-winning season. Bad teams play from behind more often than good teams, and teams usually put their best players on the ice in desperation time when trying to score a game-tying goal.

The Sharks have given up 13 ENG's so far this season, and no doubt Celebrini was on the ice for most of them.
 
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