Epic Calder Race 2024-25

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Nah, he obviously has proper skills, I don't doubt it. I doubt he does have defensive skills, though, to call him a defender. He isn't a defender and isn't a goalscorer so goalscorers should be ahead of him.

He's not a great defender by any means but he could be much worse.

I know people hate +/- stat, but Matheson plays 2 mins more and is -3 while Hutson is -10. Context matters, you know.

Context matters, you're right. Quoting raw +/- in the age of EN goals is crazy misleading. Look at Hutson's 5v5 goal differential - he's only -1.

 

[Kshahdoo]

He's not a great defender by any means but he could be much worse.

Context matters, you're right. Quoting raw +/- in the age of EN goals is crazy misleading. Look at Hutson's 5v5 goal differential - he's only -1.

5v5 excludes not just EN goals, but 3v3, 4v4 and SH ones. And if you let in goals in all those situations, it's still not very good, maybe even worse than 5v5 goals.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

5v5 excludes not just EN goals, but 3v3, 4v4 and SH ones. And if you let in goals in all those situations, it's still not very good, maybe even worse than 5v5 goals.

-9 of his -10 is from empty net situations. Even if you bring up 4v4, 3v3, it doesn't change the fact he spends the great majority of his minutes at 5v5 and he's only -1 at 5v5.

Go hide away in shame.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

5v5 excludes not just EN goals, but 3v3, 4v4 and SH ones. And if you let in goals in all those situations, it's still not very good, maybe even worse than 5v5 goals.

He's -9 in empty net situations. So being -10 really isn't that bad, agreed?

 

[Barrie22]

Sharks fans know this is a weak argument, especially since we championed Karlsson to win the norris with 101 pts and questionable defensive responsibility.

If Hutson is driving the PP and PP is winning them games, then that's useful. AND if it's so impactful, like Karlsson's offense was, then he should be celebrated for that facet of his game, not derided for what he doesnt have.

Karlsson the year he hit 101 points was even at 5 on 5, he was though -22 with an empty net. He had 74 even strength points and 27 power play points.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Celebrini and Michkov score goals, and Hutson doesn't.

Hutson make goals happening, and help his team winning, unlike Mitchkov and Celebrini, who play for bottom feeders

 

[Hullois]

I know people hate +/- stat, but Matheson plays 2 mins more and is -3 while Hutson is -10. Context matters, you know.

Tell me you haven't watched a single Hutson game without telling me hahaha.

Seriously this guy's posts in the last pages are hilarious.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Quoting raw +/- in the age of EN goals is crazy misleading.

NHL should amend the stat collumn for +/- and stop including EN situations. +/- was already a stat that needed a lot of proper context to have any relevance, but now with the rise of EN goals, the +/- collumn has become even more misleading and in need of even more context.

 

[StrawHatEklund]

If we’re going to value players on goals scored only, 14 goals through almost 50 games played isn’t all that impressive.

Celebrini hasn’t even played 40 games and he’s also on the worst team in the league that’s so bad they blow 5-1 leads.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Celebrini hasn’t even played 40 games and he’s also on the worst team in the league.

Celebrini brings a lot more than just scoring goals yes?

 

[StrawHatEklund]

Celebrini brings a lot more than just scoring goals yes?

Much more but he’s also scoring at a good rate for 38 games as a rookie on the worst team in the league with a mediocre PP and often being paired with 3rd liner NHL talent (even 4th liner in some instances) at 5 vs 5.

 

[FlyguyOX]

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

NHL should amend the stat collumn for +/- and stop including EN situations. +/- was already a stat that needed a lot of proper context to have any relevance, but now with the rise of EN goals, the +/- collumn has become even more misleading and in need of even more context.

100% agreed, its pretty much a useless statistic now when comparing +/- amongst top players commonly used in those situations.

 

[JustAHabFan]

N

Hutson make goals happening, and help his team winning, unlike Mitchkov and Celebrini, who play for bottom feeders

Agreed. When the Habs were behind or tie, Hutson usually the spark plug to allow the Habs to score the next goal to either narrow the other team lead or tie the game or to go ahead.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

People are actually using +/- to discredit Hutson? thats how low people will go to try and make a player look bad? LOL