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karltonian said:
Super weird unprompted comment. You seem to think about Celebrini and the Sharks a lot. That tells you something.
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Crazy to think that Montreal fans are watching Hutson's direct competition for the Calder as the race gets closer to the end.

As a side note I thought the same thing the other poster said after Celebrini had 2 points and his first +1 game since December 12th. "Celebrini is roaring back", only for Huston to get 3 points and +3 the same day. Expect more of this battle as the season continues from these two.
 
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Still too early to call it. Lane is special. So is Celebrini. And Michkov. Stay humble or we'll get burn. NHL is a long season. Not 41-43 games, it's 82 games season. We never know with young players and how the grind of a long season affect them. Hope Lane keeps it going all the way till the end though. I see too many Habs fans talking as if it's a shoe in. That's a terrible take
 
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Jabba11 said:
Still too early to call it. Lane is special. So is Celebrini. And Michkov. Stay humble or we'll get burn. NHL is a long season. Not 41-43 games, it's 82 games season. We never know with young players and how the grind of a long season affect them. Hope Lane keeps it going all the way till the end though. I see too many Habs fans talking as if it's a shoe in. That's a terrible take
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I don't really care much about what happened next. Just enjoyed the moment. The way Hutson is playing right now, it will be hard to stop him.
 
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Jabba11 said:
Still too early to call it. Lane is special. So is Celebrini. And Michkov. Stay humble or we'll get burn. NHL is a long season. Not 41-43 games, it's 82 games season. We never know with young players and how the grind of a long season affect them. Hope Lane keeps it going all the way till the end though. I see too many Habs fans talking as if it's a shoe in. That's a terrible take
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I said it a bit earlier but Hutson just doesn't get tired game-to-game. His cardio is Merab Dvalishvili level
 
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JustAHabFan said:
I don't really care much about what happened next. Just enjoyed the moment. The way Hutson is playing right now, it will be hard to stop him.
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Everything from now on is a bonus. I really don't care if he wins the Calder or not, what he's been doing is already history in the franchise. He's proving himself to be the top player of the 2022 draft as well. That says a lot.

SannywithoutCompy said:
I said it a bit earlier but Hutson just doesn't get tired game-to-game. His cardio is Merab Dvalishvili level
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I hope he doesn't have Ngannou's cardio vs Miocic 1.
 
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WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
Ekblad definitely was a less than worthy winner, but I think him winning it had less to do with age and more to do with 1OA hype.

But I think age may have hurt Bunting in 2022. Dude had 63 points with a +27 and lost to Seider, a 50 point dman who was -9 with 23 mins TOI.

A few years later, Bedard's 61 point -44 season beat out Faber's 47 point season, where he was only -1 and played 25 mins a night.

I think Bedard benefited from the same hype that got Ekblad the Calder, but I do think age can make a difference among voters as well, just to a lesser extent.

Regardless, Hutson will be up against a similar 1OA hype disadvantage. He's emerged as the front runner for me, but he's still fighting an uphill battle vs draft hype. I think if the roles were reversed, and Hutson was the 18 year-old first overall pick, he'd be the overwhelming favorite among writers.
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Interesting post especially the last paragraph but honestly I doubt the actual voters even know fully what motivates them from year to year any more than narratives.
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:
Disagree on the 2nd part. Hutson has been great all season, and is a big part of the reason the habs are doing well, but the difference between the habs now and earlier in the season is that the rest of his teammates have started performing better and the team as a whole is playing with a lot more confidence.
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Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say no to that lmao - the team playing with more confidence almost seems to be coming off the fact that this kid has turned his game up to a different level. He's already a top 3 defenceman in the league with the puck on his stick behind Hughes and Makar imo, and there's a pretty good chance that for the next 15 years this is the worst he'll be.
 
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It'll be decided by who can maintain this pace. Both Hutson and Celebrini are playing very well right now, but Hutson is pacing for an absolutely historic rookie season by a d-man. If Hutson can keep the same pace he's been on since about game 20, he'll win the scoring race, (assuming Celebrini also maintains his pace) and that should be enough to win him the Calder.
 
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Jabba11 said:
Everything from now on is a bonus. I really don't care if he wins the Calder or not, what he's been doing is already history in the franchise. He's proving himself to be the top player of the 2022 draft as well. That says a lot.


I hope he doesn't have Ngannou's cardio vs Miocic 1.
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I'd still consider Cooley over him, but that's not a slight against Hutson. To be a 2nd round pick who in a redraft is a slam dunk top 2 pick is insane value that hasn't happened since Kucherov
 
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BoHorvat 53 said:
I'd still consider Cooley over him, but that's not a slight against Hutson. To be a 2nd round pick who in a redraft is a slam dunk top 2 pick is insane value that hasn't happened since Kucherov
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I think Hutson’s going to blow everyone away in that draft. I don’t think it’s going to be close.

As for the Calder, lots of hockey to be played. Great year. No shame in finishing behind Michkov or Cellebrini. But I think Hutson has a good case for himself at this stage.

Second half of the year to come. Going to be fun to watch. Just a terrific rookie class this season.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Not if you’re 26 or younger… Do you think people would care about Dustin Wolf being about to turn 24? Of course not.
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It would be unfair to goalies, who generally cook longer in the minors than forwards. If he has the best year, 6 years difference between him and Celebrini shouldn't be a factor. If the perception is that it's close between those two (just as an example for the age question), I think then the age and #1 overall pick bias would work in Celebrini's favor.
 
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JIMVINNY said:
It'll be decided by who can maintain this pace. Both Hutson and Celebrini are playing very well right now, but Hutson is pacing for an absolutely historic rookie season by a d-man. If Hutson can keep the same pace he's been on since about game 20, he'll win the scoring race, (assuming Celebrini also maintains his pace) and that should be enough to win him the Calder.
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Pretty much this.

I always liked him, but at this point even I am amazed by what Hutson is doing. I'm trying to remain calm, though. We'll see how the rest of the year turns out.
 
bud12 said:
3es pts last night and I'm not sure you should bring pp time into the discussion since Celebrini average more ice time on it than Hutson since the season started
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Why don’t you post their PP minutes numbers/data then as well as their 5 vs 5 points vs PP points + 4 vs 4/3 vs 3 numbers?
 
JIMVINNY said:
It'll be decided by who can maintain this pace. Both Hutson and Celebrini are playing very well right now, but Hutson is pacing for an absolutely historic rookie season by a d-man. If Hutson can keep the same pace he's been on since about game 20, he'll win the scoring race, (assuming Celebrini also maintains his pace) and that should be enough to win him the Calder.
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Yeah I don't see any scenario where a forward wins the Calder by losing the scoring title to a dman. Heck, it's darn near impossible for a forward to win the Calder if he's outscored by another forward.

Hutson's current pace is 6 goals 67 points (in 82 games)
Celebrini's pace is 27 goals 64 points (in 70 games)

If those hold, I have to think Hutson gets the Calder. Celebrini would probably need to outscore Hutson by at least 3-5 points to have a chance. If he can get to 30g 70p, he may have a shot - the first ppg season from a D+1 1st overall since McDavid would garner a lot of hype.

But I wouldn't be shocked to see Hutson break 70 points as well, based on his pace since being given the reins on PP1. So Celebrini may really have to to catch fire to keep himself in the race.
 
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Frank Drebin said:
Again
The calder isn’t about which player is better, or which player is going to be better

It’s simply about which first year player had the best season.
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I’m well aware. The Calder often just comes down to stat counting. So, since he brought up overall stats such as PP TOI, I’m asking for the numbers. I’ve seen the individual game numbers but couldn’t find the average for all games played.
 
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