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karltonian said:
You literally cited the case that literally made age matter. You picked the one that caused us to know, explicitly and without any question or argument, that the does matter. Literally in the rules. Literally.
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So that case means Lane Hutson and Dustin Wolf can't beat Celebrini for the Calder?

You are staring so hard at a speck of sand that you're missing the fact that you're standing on a beach.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
So that case means Lane Hutson and Dustin Wolf can't beat Celebrini for the Calder?

You are staring so hard at a speck of sand that you're missing the fact that you're standing on a beach.
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I didn't say that, you said age doesn't matter and cited the case as proof where age was literally written into the rules.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
That was the 7 point thing. Drury also didn't win the scoring race.
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20+ Calder winning forwards who won the Calder without losing the race by 7+ points. I never claimed it was unprecedented for a forward to win the Calder without winning the scoring race.

At this post you're just grasping for straws because of how obviously wrong your were. Couture beating out Skinner despite losing the scoring race by such an amount would have been a massive exception to the rule. There is zero evidence to suggest Skinner's age had anything to do with it.
 
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WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
20+ Calder winning forwards who won the Calder without losing the race by 7+ points. I never claimed it was unprecedented for a forward to win the Calder without winning the scoring race.

At this post you're just grasping for straws because of how obviously wrong your were. Couture beating out Skinner despite losing the scoring race by such an amount would have been a massive exception to the rule. There is zero evidence to suggest Skinner's age had anything to do with it.
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Yet it happened before then and you were clearly incorrect. Whether their standard is what it is doesn't mean it's the correct standard to have for the award. The award is the most proficient rookie. It's not whoever wins the rookie scoring title just because that's how they've decided to award it for a period of time. And clearly there have been times throughout history where they've gone through other means to decide a winner that wasn't points. You're now advocating for the continuation of a clearly incorrect methodology for awarding a winner. And I bet if you ask the voters, they would explicitly state that age has something to do with it sometimes because it pretty obviously does.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
Yet it happened before then and you were clearly incorrect. Whether their standard is what it is doesn't mean it's the correct standard to have for the award. The award is the most proficient rookie. It's not whoever wins the rookie scoring title just because that's how they've decided to award it for a period of time. And clearly there have been times throughout history where they've gone through other means to decide a winner that wasn't points. You're now advocating for the continuation of a clearly incorrect methodology for awarding a winner.
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I'm not advocating for anything, I'm telling you how voters have historically voted. Just because it happened 33 years ago doesn't mean the voters would have given Couture the Calder over a hypothetical 21 year old Skinner.

Pinkfloyd said:
And I bet if you ask the voters, they would explicitly state that age has something to do with it sometimes because it pretty obviously does.
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I never said it didn't. As a matter of fact, I said just the opposite about Bunting losing in 2022.

I'm just telling you that Skinner won based on the most consistently used criteria, not because of his age. You disagree because of your bias. I'm done trying to explain this to you.
 
WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
I'm not advocating for anything, I'm telling you how voters have historically voted. Just because it happened 33 years ago doesn't mean the voters would have given Couture the Calder over a hypothetical 21 year old Skinner.



I never said it didn't. As a matter of fact, I said just the opposite about Bunting losing in 2022.

I'm just telling you that Skinner won based on the most consistently used criteria, not because of his age. You disagree because of your bias. I'm done trying to explain this to you.
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You'd think then that if it was as simple as you try to make it sound that these votes would be near-unanimous but they weren't because it really isn't that simple.
 
WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
A forward hasn't won the calder in the 21st century without winning the rookie scoring race lol.

It's far and away the most relevant factor for voters.
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Yet you've not presented a single voter saying that the reason for their vote was because a rookie forward won the rookie scoring race. You're just assuming it because the end results look that way. That's not how you prove such an assertion.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
Yet you've not presented a single voter saying that the reason for their vote was because a rookie forward won the rookie scoring race. You're just assuming it because the end results look that way. That's not how you prove such an assertion.
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Yeah I'm sure that's not at all an important factor for voters, despite every winning forward in the 21st century sharing that factor.

You're delusional honestly.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
Yet you've not presented a single voter saying that the reason for their vote was because a rookie forward won the rookie scoring race. You're just assuming it because the end results look that way. That's not how you prove such an assertion.
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What a hilarious rebuttal. If it hasn’t happened one time then anyone with any common sense would know that clearly plays a major role. I’m sure there are other factors and it’s not impossible but most likely plays an important role since it hasn’t happened ONCE.
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:
Hutson has been great all season, and is a big part of the reason the habs are doing well, but the difference between the habs now and earlier in the season is that the rest of his teammates have started performing better and the team as a whole is playing with a lot more confidence.
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Zalos said:
Yep. While Hutson has been great pretty much all year, he hasn't been carrying the team on his back. The team as a whole has just been playing better this past month. Getting Carrier and Laine definitely helped.
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What you two guys aren't realizing though is that Hutson himself has also been playing better as well. The kid's improving week on week. What he did to break up that play in OT vs. the Caps was crazy. I mean how good is he gonna be when he's like 27-28?

Lafleurs Guy said:
Correct. It doesn’t matter if Celebrini is 18 or 21. Makarov won rookie of the year at around 30 years old.
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Like others have said they've changed the rules since then. I think Panarin won it at like 25 or 26yrs of age.

featherhawk said:
it may not have an official difference but it does...
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You should check who came out the 3rd the year Panarin won. He was like 7/8rs younger but the breadman won it.
 
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