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Epic Calder Race 2024-25

coooldude said:
I'm on the record as saying anything could happen. Hutson absolutely could win the Calder and is on a tear right now for the past 20 or so games.

That said, this comment is wrong. The coach isn't demoting Macklin or not giving him top line minutes. Macklin has been playing top minutes and is used in all situations. Warsofsky is trying desperately to balance the lines, which is impossible because we're just short good talent, and to get Smith going, which is nearly impossible this year since he's not quite ready for prime time.

For the past 5 games, Celebrini-Smith has been a duo with the hope that they would find some chemistry and a rhythm. During Celebrini's ppg tear (which was a lot like Hutson's, currently) he was being matched up by opposing top lines, was top line center, was scoring like it, etc.

He's currently in a slump, and his linemates aren't helping either, but it's not the coach deciding not to play him because he's not earning it. Has nothing to do with that.
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I'll admit that I was being slightly hyperbolic with my last sentence, but everything else I said is dead on. I was replying to a comment that implied Hutson getting to share the ice with Montreal's best should count in Celebrini's favor, which is totally ridiculous. If Celebrini is going through a slump because he doesn't get to play with SJ's best players anymore, well, sorry, but Hutson had less production while he was deployed with less skilled players as well.

Celebrini is a heck of a player, and if the vote happened right now, he would win the Calder. I'm fine saying it's even LIKELY that he wins it in the end. All I've ever said that if the recent trends for the two players continue, Hutson will win it. What Celebrini has been doing all season is impressive, but not spectacular. What Hutson has been doing over the last 20 games is, and if he can somehow maintain this, he's going to be ROTY.
 
All 3 of Michkov, Hutson, and Celebrini with points today. As of now, I see it as Celebrini and Hutson basically tied for the lead. Incredibly close. I still have a feeling Celebrini will pull it off in the end.
 


If the Flames by hook or by crook actually make the playoffs and the rest of the candidates miss, there's a decent chance we see our first goalie Calder winner since Steve Mason. Calgary are also DFL in goals scored since the first week of the season.
 
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Bounces R Way said:


If the Flames by hook or by crook actually make the playoffs and the rest of the candidates miss, there's a decent chance we see our first goalie Calder winner since Steve Mason. They are also DFL in goals scored since the first week of the season.
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I've been of the opinion that making the playoffs matters to Hutson and Michkov's chances, but I suppose this applies to Wolf as well. All things being equal, helping drag a bubble team into the playoffs should factor heavily, if it's too close to call otherwise.
 
JIMVINNY said:
Celebrini can't get ice time with the Shark's best forwards, by your own admission, due to coaching decisions. You can speculate all you want about the coach's motivations for his decisions, but your speculation is no more valid than anyone else's.

Fact of the matter is that Hutson is on the first pp, top pairing minutes, and is on the ice at the start of OT for one of the hottest teams in the league. Celebrini can't even get his coach to trust him with top line minutes anymore.
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I guess his coach must trust him again cause he got to play with Eklund and Toffoli tonight. Trust can be such a fickle thing.
 
JIMVINNY said:
I've been of the opinion that making the playoffs matters to Hutson and Michkov's chances, but I suppose this applies to Wolf as well. All things being equal, helping drag a bubble team into the playoffs should factor heavily, if it's too close to call otherwise.
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The thing is, the Flames aren't even supposed to be a bubble team. We were supposed to be bottom 10 team in the league. Quite a lot of predictions were "bottom five team". I'd argue that Wolf is the only reason we are a bubble team that can still make the playoffs in the first place.
 
Star Platinum said:
Sharks don't really have any forwards that stand out to the point where you can say there's a top line in the sense of other teams that have a top line with their best players. Shark forwards break down into four categories.

1. Celebrini
2. Rookies (Smith, Graf, Kovalenko)
3. Vets with some level of scoring ability, but not elite (Granlund, Eklund, Zetterlund, Toffoli)
4. Guys who would be on the fourth line of a good team (the rest of the forwards)

The frustrating thing from a Sharks fan perspective is that the coach seems to prioritize winning over developing his young players and so Celebrini has had many games this year with some fourth-line gritty guy on his left wing instead of consistently prioritizing putting two of his scoring capable forwards with Celebrini on a consistent basis. Celebrini has put up the results he has despite that, but it doesn't make it easier for him.

Hutson plays with more talent and that will always be an advantage for him as far as point production goes.
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Hutson spent the first 20 games with the same treatment. He had Savard as a pairing mate and was rarely used with Suzuki and Caufield.

Frederixx said:
Watching Sportsnet. They just show Hutson's stats the last 20gp. 20pts and +18. I'm impressed. If he keeps going, there's no way he doesn't win it
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He's not +18. They made a blunder. He's like +6 or +7
 
Grate n Colorful Oz said:
Hutson spent the first 20 games with the same treatment. He had Savard as a pairing mate and was rarely used with Suzuki and Caufield.



He's not +18. They made a blunder. He's like +6 or +7
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+3 in the past 20 games. And it has only been the past 5 games where he got into the + side, up to after the december 31st game he was a - player during this hot streak. After the december 20th game he was a -6.
 
Still think its Celebrini's

Being an 18 year old and doing what hes doing is the most impressive part.

Hes only played 38 total games at above a junior level lol.

Michkov and Hutson are doing well, but are 2 years older. I feel like that should matter if its close.


Hes going to be 18 years old for the entirety of the season.
 
Barrie22 said:
+3 in the past 20 games. And it has only been the past 5 games where he got into the + side, up to after the december 31st game he was a - player during this hot streak. After the december 20th game he was a -6.
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Celebrini is -9 since December 20th. His last single game with a positive +/- was December 12th. He has 8 games with a negative +/- and 5 games with a even +/- since that December 12th date.

Once again showing how useless this statistic is for evaluating defensive play.
 
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Barrie22 said:
+3 in the past 20 games. And it has only been the past 5 games where he got into the + side, up to after the december 31st game he was a - player during this hot streak. After the december 20th game he was a -6.
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He's had 4 minus games and 8 plus games out of the last 21 games, no matter how you want to slice it.

The post referred to his last 20 games, but his PPG sequence is 21 games and he is +6 in those 21 games:

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He's +9 in his last 10 games.
 
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Im a habs fan so it might be biased a bit but

Hutson should be first , he's one of the reason why habs have been on the playoff run with Caufield/Suzuki were reunited. The kid is almost on the ice everytime we score and often the starting plays comes for him. He also made several plays leading to a goal which he had no assist. .

Celebrini is extremely good and a gift for SJ but they are 2 points away from being dead last in the league. It's not like he made them in a better position.

I would agree that Habs roster is more advanced in the rebuild but still , You have more chance to win with Hutson than Celebrini this season.
 
Icebreakers said:
Still think its Celebrini's

Being an 18 year old and doing what hes doing is the most impressive part.

Hes only played 38 total games at above a junior level lol.

Michkov and Hutson are doing well, but are 2 years older. I feel like that should matter if its close.


Hes going to be 18 years old for the entirety of the season.
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Age doesn't matter in calder voting. Otherwise, a 24 year old Panarin wouldn't have beat an 18 year old McDavid.
 
HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
Im a habs fan so it might be biased a bit but

Hutson should be first , he's one of the reason why habs have been on the playoff run with Caufield/Suzuki were reunited. The kid is almost on the ice everytime we score and often the starting plays comes for him. He also made several plays leading to a goal which he had no assist. .

Celebrini is extremely good and a gift for SJ but they are 2 points away from being dead last in the league. It's not like he made them in a better position.

I would agree that Habs roster is more advanced in the rebuild but still , You have more chance to win with Hutson than Celebrini this season.
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I don't think the Calder represents the rookie who helped their team in the standings the most. It's simply "the best rookie".
 
Kudo Shinichi said:
Age doesn't matter in calder voting. Otherwise, a 24 year old Panarin wouldn't have beat an 18 year old McDavid.
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Let's just ignore the 30 point difference right? Age for sure does play a huge part, but only when it is close between 2 players.

Panarin had no chance if mcdavid finished the season even remotely close to him.
 
Icebreakers said:
It does matter, but only when its close. Mcdavid missed half the season obvs he wouldnt win.
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Barrie22 said:
Let's just ignore the 30 point difference right? Age for sure does play a huge part, but only when it is close between 2 players.

Panarin had no chance if mcdavid finished the season even remotely close to him.
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Then explain why an 18 year old McDavid finished behind a 22 year old Gostibehere in Calder votings despite having produced more pts in 19 less games?
 
Player who has the best season as a rookie

Not the best player

Not who will be the best player.
 
Kudo Shinichi said:
McDavid played 19 less games than Gostibehere, not 40.

If Celebrini and Hutson stay healthy for the rest of the season, Celebrini will end up playing 12 less games than Hutson, which is almost the same difference as Mcdavid vs Gostibehere.
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Weird year. Ghost himself missed 25% of the season, (played only 64 games) while mcdavid missed almost half. Hard to make an argument that you had the "best season" only playing 45 games.

As you mentioned, neither of those guys won so kind of a moot point
 
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