Epic Calder Race 2024-25

[wetcoast]

I just go from the Askarov pov.

Just 5 more games played. Also, having both Askarov and Dobes having strong but late debutes might remove some of the shine on Wolf.

But holy hell, what a rookie class.

2 and 7 games isn't going to remove the shine from Wolf.

If you really think that Dobes is that good it's going to remove the shine from Hutson.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

If you really think that Dobes is that good it's going to remove the shine from Hutson.

Wait, wasn't the perception of Hutson's +/- gonna be considered for the Calder? Now that he has two proper goalies, it'll make his job easier and he'll look even better. That might not work out as you think. Primeau was such a seive.

 

[wetcoast]

Wait, wasn't the perception of Hutson's +/- gonna be considered for the Calder? Now that he has two proper goalies, it'll make his job easier and he'll look even better. That might not work out as you think. Primeau was such a seive.

Hutson is pretty much stuck in second place for the Calder race IMO unless Celebrini has an injury.

Michkov has too many warts 5 on 5 and he plays under Torts.

Wolf won't play enough games.

Stank won't get enough PP TOI to warrant consideration.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Hutson is pretty much stuck in second place for the Calder race IMO unless Celebrini has an injury.

Michkov has too many warts 5 on 5 and he plays under Torts.

Wolf won't play enough games.

Stank won't get enough PP TOI to warrant consideration.

'Memba when Hutson was ignored and dimissed by haters, and was ranked behind Michkov and Stankoven (for some reasons)?

I 'memba

Celebrini is ahead for sure, but who knows, maybe Hutson has an even higher gear?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Hutson is pretty much stuck in second place for the Calder race IMO unless Celebrini has an injury.

Because you decide to ignore the historical differences between rookie forwards and defensemen. Go look at the top 20 rookies in each category (F vs D) and you'll notice there are far more 18 year old forwards than dmen. You'll also notice there's a stark difference in production. The highest scoring rookie dman, Larry Murphy, is at 76 points whereas Selanne is at 132 points. Celebrini finishing at ~80 points would place him around 20th-25th all-time among forwards, whereas Hutson finishing at 60 points would place him top 10 all-time.

The league is taking notice too, as despite Celebrini continuing to turn heads, it's Hutson who won the latest rookie of the month. It could bery much go any which way, including Michkov going on a heater.

"stuck in 2nd place" is just pure bias.

 

[Smok3d]

It’s funny everyone argues for their team players like they’re paid to or something. Everyone has a shot, we are only at the half way point. It doesn’t matter who has the current lead, it matters who finishes on top.

 

[Jabba11]

As a Habs fan, I would be happy if Lane Hutson can keep up his strong season so far and end up being nominated for the Calder. Winning it would be a bonus, but not a necessity.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

It’s funny everyone argues for their team players like they’re paid to or something. Everyone has a shot, we are only at the half way point. It doesn’t matter who has the current lead, it matters who finishes on top.

Agreed, it's so weird that fans root for their players.

 

[EXTRAS]

Looks like a 3way race now (michkov, celebrini, hutson)

I definitely thought stankoven was going to be a beast this year, but maybe dallas being so deep works against him. He doesn't get the pp1 time and is a bit down the lines, where the other 3 get featured on their teams. I'm sure all 4 will be studs for a long time though.

 

[Jargon]

If Askarov fully takes over for the Sharks and they have some kind of legitimate run of wins, I can see him getting into the conversation because honestly he’s f***ing amazing. But I don’t think we have the talent to get him the wins.

Celebrini is playing 1C as a barely-18 year old and excelling offensively and defensively. You have to imagine he’s leading the race.

Glad Hutson is doing well though! Gives me a tiny bit of hope for Cagnoni (I know they’re different but still).

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Askarov’s has been a top prospect for a while. San Jose’s rebuild looks amazing right now.

 

[Fatass]

Right now it’s Hutson, Celebrini, Michkov.

 

[wetcoast]

Because you decide to ignore the historical differences between rookie forwards and defensemen. Go look at the top 20 rookies in each category (F vs D) and you'll notice there are far more 18 year old forwards than dmen. You'll also notice there's a stark difference in production. The highest scoring rookie dman, Larry Murphy, is at 76 points whereas Selanne is at 132 points. Celebrini finishing at ~80 points would place him around 20th-25th all-time among forwards, whereas Hutson finishing at 60 points would place him top 10 all-time.

The league is taking notice too, as despite Celebrini continuing to turn heads, it's Hutson who won the latest rookie of the month. It could bery much go any which way, including Michkov going on a heater.

"stuck in 2nd place" is just pure bias.

Go back and look at last year with Faber and Bedard which I have already pointed out in this thread.

As for your last part

 

[wolfgaze]

i just want BEANIE

Is that seriously his established nickname - or did you come up with this 'Beanie' nickname yourself?

 

[Tw1ster]

Is that seriously his established nickname - or did you come up with this 'Beanie' nickname yourself?

Trust me, it’s just him and it’s horrible

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Go back and look at last year with Faber and Bedard which I have already pointed out in this thread.

As for your last part

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What does Faber have to do with asnything. He only had 47 pts. If Hutson only puts up 47 he isn't in the running. If, for example. Celebrini puts up 75 and Hutson puts up 60 or close to it Hutson should win. Voters being idiots who knows.

 

[wetcoast]

What does Faber have to do with asnything. He only had 47 pts. If Hutson only puts up 47 he isn't in the running. If, for example. Celebrini puts up 75 and Hutson puts up 60 or close to it Hutson should win. Voters being idiots who knows.

Faber was much better defensively and had a huge impact on the Wild last season, more so than Hutson this year.

Also Celebrini has such a good 2 way game and will end up with the most points barring injury.

Let's put it another way if the season ended today and the votes were in on the calder Celebrini would win with a larger margin than Bedard did last year.

So that's why I'm saying barring injury as Michkov is serving up donuts like he is behind the counter at Timmy's right now.

Also Lidstrom had a closer margin in points on bure thean the one you are projecting, my bet is that if you switched the jerseys on the 2 guys you'd be all over Celebrini.

Look at voting patterns and try not to focus so much on the jerseys here.

The Calder wording is this

to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year

That describes Celebrini this year both in PPG and 200 foot play.

 

[Smok3d]

Agreed, it's so weird that fans root for their players.

Blind homerism ain’t no fun.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Faber was much better defensively and had a huge impact on the Wild last season, more so than Hutson this year.

Holy crap, let go of the bias pipe, you're getting all kinds of delusions.

5vs5 Faber last year with a much better pairing partner to bring up his +/-:

His results were terribad when paired with Middleton and ended-up a net positive by playing with Brodin, not to mention that Brodin-Bogosian formed a better pairing:

Compare that to Hutson who didn't have a strong vet like Brodin to pair-up:

Hutson leads the Habs for both 5vs5 TOI and 5vs5 GF%, but according to you, Faber had a bigger impact? Any sane hockey fan would take Brodin over Matheson, while Savard vs Middleton is debatable.

As shown, the output is pretty even between Faber and Hutson, yet Faber played on a better squad with a better partner for part of the season.

If Hutson hits 60 points, he'll get serious consideration, especially since right now, his 5vs5 +/- is a tad better (50% vs 48.65%) than Celebrini and his vaunted '200 foot game'.

 

[viceroy]

Craziest part is that by the end of the season the Habs may have 3 guys in the top 10 Rookies for this season: Lane Hutson(top 3), Emil Heineman(6th in pts/3rd in goals) and Jacub Dobes.

 

[Kennedys]

Michkov last 11 games, 1G 1A -14. ouch

Celebrini is winning the calder with Hutson 2nd

 

[kp61c]

Michkov last 11 games, 1G 1A -14. ouch

Celebrini is winning the calder with Hutson 2nd

yes, and it's not like he looks good but is unlucky. after watching most of his last ten games or so the only conclustion is he should not be on the team, playing there is a total waste. the ahl is a crap option but it is clearly better than what is going on now.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Craziest part is that by the end of the season the Habs may have 3 guys in the top 10 Rookies for this season: Lane Hutson(top 3), Emil Heineman(6th in pts/3rd in goals) and Jacub Dobes.

Sharks say hello with Celebrini, Smith and Askarov. And in the long run, you take that Sharks threesome every day of the week.

 

[Schennanigans]

I was surprised by stankoven this year. I figured he’d be in the top 3 but he falls a little short.

 

[wetcoast]

Holy crap, let go of the bias pipe, you're getting all kinds of delusions.

5vs5 Faber last year with a much better pairing partner to bring up his +/-:

His results were terribad when paired with Middleton and ended-up a net positive by playing with Brodin, not to mention that Brodin-Bogosian formed a better pairing:

Compare that to Hutson who didn't have a strong vet like Brodin to pair-up:

Hutson leads the Habs for both 5vs5 TOI and 5vs5 GF%, but according to you, Faber had a bigger impact? Any sane hockey fan would take Brodin over Matheson, while Savard vs Middleton is debatable.

As shown, the output is pretty even between Faber and Hutson, yet Faber played on a better squad with a better partner for part of the season.

If Hutson hits 60 points, he'll get serious consideration, especially since right now, his 5vs5 +/- is a tad better (50% vs 48.65%) than Celebrini and his vaunted '200 foot game'.

You so realize the Faber played in all 82 games a rookie last year and here is how many games the rest of the defense played.

Middleton 80
Merril 65
Brodin 62
Bogo 61
Mermis 47 (who is this guy BTW?)
Goligoski 36
Chisholm 34
Spurgeon 16
Addison 12
Hunt 12

Even most Hab fans would say that Faber is clearly better defensively than Hutson despite some selective stats you are throwing out there.

Faber played close to 25 MPG last year but you want to only select ES TOI okay but like I have said if Celebrini is close to a PPG and his 2 way play continues, and why wouldn't it, he is most likely going to win the Calder with a larger margin than Bedard did last year and he is clearly the front runner right now.

I was surprised by stankoven this year. I figured he’d be in the top 3 but he falls a little short.

A lot of it comes down to TOI as he is 7th among Star forwards in TOI and 7th again in PP TOI.