Epic Calder Battle in 2024-25 Season

[Beukeboom]

Wait, you said Celebrini is scoring at a higher pace and I proved you wrong. Now PP points don't count? All goals count the same.

Only advanced stats can show us plebs why a guy having a lower PPG (Michkov) actually scores at a higher pace than the other (Celebrini)...

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Lane is also pacing to have one of the highest scoring rookie dman seasons in history. Ahead of many past Norris winners. And that's with his numbers being slightly lower because of not starting on pp1. Right now he's pacing to finish just ahead of Lidstrom.

Saying he's scoring at a higher rate than many past Norris winners (in a very high scoring era, no less) is like saying Michkov is scoring at a rate higher than many past Selke winners. Anybody who won the Norris scoring at a rate below Hutson's won it because they were perceived to be elite defensively; something nobody is even pretending Hutson is.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Yes agree with more difficult position.

But their RAPM xGA/60 is the same, Michkov has better xG differential, better actual Goals differential.

Michkov is actually scoring at a higher rate. All situations 3.27 pts/60 compared to 3.05/60 for celebrini.

xGA/xGF is only relevant when comparing players from the same team on the same line facing the same quality of opposition. Other than that, theyre team statistics and sucks at evaluating individual players unless you can have the same parameters (see my first sentence).

 

[Ezpz]

Saying he's scoring at a higher rate than many past Norris winners (in a very high scoring era, no less) is like saying Michkov is scoring at a rate higher than many past Selke winners. Anybody who won the Norris scoring at a rate below Hutson's won it because they were perceived to be elite defensively; something nobody is even pretending Hutson is.

The people who finished ahead of Lane's current pace also played in an even higher scoring era. The fact is lane would be pacing for second or third all time if he started on pp1 while Michkov is pacing for 50th or so while being easily the worst defensive forward in the league.