Post-Game Talk: End of the Shanascam? | Leafs Blown Out at Home Again

[IPS]

How would we convince Nylander to go to freaking Vancouver though?

They are honestly in one of the worst positions in the league.

It's a great place to live when you're really rich?

 

[Mess]

7 years is finally up Mess. And they have the chance to do it all over again.

There is hope just look at the Florida Panthers.

In 2021-21 Florida won the President's Cup but lost in round #2

They traded their leading scorer away.

and now have Lost in Finals and Won the Cup and now Final 4 again.

Remember Treliving has a completed trade of Rantanen the playoffs leading scorer for Marner and Mitch screwed Leafs Nation by staying, but now that his contract is over we have a chance also to correct our Salary Cap and rebuild a real hockey team.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

It's a great place to live when you're really rich?

True, but it's not a great organization to play for in the slightest.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I'm glad hockey popularity is falling off in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/youth-hockey-canada-declining-participation-1.7231607

f*** this sport.

Why would you be glad?

 

[IPS]

True, but it's not a great organization to play for in the slightest.

Well that's about all I got as far as a convincing argument goes

 

[Ianturnedbull]

There is hope just look at the Florida Panthers.

In 2021-21 Florida won the President's Cup but lost in round #2

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They traded their leading scorer away.

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and now have Lost in Finals and Won the Cup and now Final 4 again.

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Remember Treliving has a completed trade of Rantanen the playoffs leading scorer for Marner and Mitch screwed Leafs Nation by staying, but now that his contract is over we have a chance also to correct our Salary Cap and rebuild a real hockey team.

Rebuild? Seriously?

 

[Drytoast]

Why would you be glad?

Because the sport is nothing but misery. Burn the whole damn thing to the ground.

 

[rumman]

I wonder if evil Homer ever returns

Not if he can keep a bet…….

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Well that's about all I got as far as a convincing argument goes

Honestly I can't fault you for trying my man.

Vancouver is in a terrible position. Prospect pool is thin, they are continuing to face a massive on-ice exodus and they have one of the worst ownership situations on the planet. I legit don't know how you fix that organization without Aquillini(sp?) selling the team.

 

[IPS]

Honestly I can't fault you for trying my man.

Vancouver is in a terrible position. Prospect pool is thin, they are continuing to face a massive on-ice exodus and they have one of the worst ownership situations on the planet. I legit don't know how you fix that organization without Aquillini(sp?) selling the team.

Yeah it's hard to believe they're in an even shittier position than the Leafs.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Because the sport is nothing but misery. Burn the whole damn thing to the ground.

The sport doesn't = leafs misery/fan soggy tea bag.

 

[MSZ]

I wonder if evil Homer ever returns

Leafs in 5!

 

[rumman]

Hate to break it to you guys, but what has this franchise done to make you think they won’t run it back again?
Guaranteed end of year press conference: We liked what they did, how they bought into Berube’s system and made great strides taking the defending Cup champs to 7 games in the 2nd round. Blah, blah, lessons learned, we are right there, it’s all good, good people, yada, yada. The end.

Personally I think if huge changes aren’t coming there will be a lot of posters missing from this forum come next season. What will that do to jersey sales is anybody’s guess……….

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Yeah it's hard to believe they're in an even shittier position than the Leafs.

They might actually be in a worse position tbh. Our ownership is bad but Vancouver's is FAR worse.

 

[rumman]

For sure
With a new name and persona.

He’ll be found out, that kind of blind optimism cannot be hid behind a new avatar………

 

[likecheese]

Good thing it was a conspiracy and there were multiple shooters, 34 missed by a foot……..

I think he got the gas tank.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

Shanny and co rushed the rebuild. The fans are as bipolar as management. They all begged for a rebuild and as soon as they looked like they were going to the playoffs they went all in - every single year. They even admitted to rushing it at the time and justified "accelerating" it. There were some of us here who said no it's not right, we need to be patient and keep building but the fans once again bought all the hype and forgot the principles they cried for, as did management.

Should have traded jvr and Bozak on expiring deals at the deadline.
Shouldn't have traded two seconds for Boyle.
Shouldn't have signed Tavares.
Shouldn't have signed a player like Marleau that early.

I personally was against each of these moves on my old account. So were some others on this forum but they were a small minority.

But the Leafs can't delay gratification. Greed. This fanbase doesn't ever deserve another rebuild because they can't handle it.

These were all dumb moves and I was against the Tavares signing from day 1 - not sure if I posted this here or in Reddit.

Problem with Tavares is that Shanahan saw him as a 27 year old free wallet, and not someone who would seriously squeeze and bloat the cap. As soon as they signed him, it just ballooned the asking price of Nylander, Marner, and Matthews since they were using $11M as their comparables.

The second problem is that the unknown with a 27 year old Tavares was just how good he would actually be on this 7 year deal. If you saw him as being the best out of the 4, you could easily justify the $11M. Like if the guy was Nate MacKinnon good with all intangibles, then it's a brilliant signing because the Leafs would have won 4 or 5 Cups in this stretch. The problem is that Tavares is a good 1C on a borderline playoff team, which is what he already showed for long stretches on the Islanders. He made some of his plugger linemates good/better, but he didn't elevate them in the way that MacKinnon, Crosby, or McDavid do.

He wasn't even even a prime Stamkos level player. He's literally closer to a Claude Giroux, Matt Duchene+, or or Ryan Nugent Hopkins++ player. Very good, but not exceptional $11M players. So when you stack him at 27 to a 21-22 year old Matthews, Marner, and Nylander, you could already see that he'd be the 4th best player out of the core. But if you're the MMN's agents, of course you use that as the benchmark and squeeze as much as possible out of the team.

This idiocy was the death knell of the organization and we've been living in the aftermath of this wasted opportunity ever since.

 

[rumman]

There are different levels of draft successes.
There's the Yakupovs who never pan out, there's the Marner/Matthews who have great individual career numbers but never win a damn thing in the NHL.

I think Dubas created the monster, they seemed good under granpa Lou’s short leash……..

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Because the sport is nothing but misery. Burn the whole damn thing to the ground.

I agree.

The 2005 cba turned the players into "partners" with the owners. Or, in other words, they became business men first, professional athletes second.

That leaves us in a league where the Canadian fans are gouged through the teeth in order to subsidize most of the American teams. And because we Canadian fans (ie, "the noise" ) put "unfair pressure" on their fragile egos, most players (business men) prefer to play in the subsidized cities where they make the same money but face no scrutiny. We Canadian fans are funding the players to compete AGAINST us where they don't face any pressure. The whole dynamic is starting to really piss me the f*** off.

 

[Anthrax442]

 

[DutchHockeyGuy]

We gave them everything. Generational wealth, no move clauses, signing bonuses and lucrative endorsements.

All we got was heartbreaks and embarrassments.

I watched the full game this morning despite a string of mocking texts spoiling the result. It is a new low. I feel for Knies, Benoit, Tanev, OEL and some other guys. But they collectively make it very hard to remain a fan and invest time, money and hope.

 

[rumman]

Full passenger quote for context.

Still sounds bad overall to me.

If your looking for the definition of a team leader, this ain’t it, I hope every player mentioned how insulting this was in their exit interviews………

 

[Trapper]

Personally I think if huge changes aren’t coming there will be a lot of posters missing from this forum come next season. What will that do to jersey sales is anybody’s guess……….

I think losing in the playoffs is a marketing strategy.
Lose as bad as you can, fans throw more jerseys, fans need to buy more jerseys.
Genius!

 

[Anthrax442]

Because on an international level Canadians are cucks and Americans are territorial violent assholes who have to take everything over and we sold out the one thing we were good at to supposedly "grow the game." f*** Gretzky too, he's an embodiment of that. I don't take any of this reactive tariff based nationalism seriously because it should have been there long long before. Things will return to status quo

Hey bud, lay off the 'roids

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Full passenger quote for context.

Still sounds bad overall to me.

To many passengers? MF when you take all the money and driving luxury vehicles you're getting people who take public transportation as your coworkers.