GDT: End of season media availability - Today

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Knowing how this team operates, this makes perfect sense.

If they’re looking to build the same culture for the Leafs that the Knights have, proceed with caution. It’s much easier to motivate teenagers fighting for a draft than it is to motivate a bunch of pre-paid millionaires.

 

[AvroArrow]

Integral part of the team, and fits a 2C need. Not hard to see the fit. Not the only player that would though.

He's a career 40 point guy, literally. Maybe the most over-rated player on these boards right now and we all know he's committed like 20 infractions that are suspension worthy but somehow magically always avoids discipline.

That won't be the case in Toronto.

No thank you, 7M+ for a 40 point dirty player who likely gets multiple suspensions playing here.

 

[Tak7]

You think Mark Hunter could be back with the Leafs?

In what capacity lol?

Mark Hunter joined the Leafs, left the Leafs, had 0 interest from any other NHL team, but is somehow now worthy of a Brinks truck?

 

[SprDaVE]

In what capacity lol?

Mark Hunter joined the Leafs, left the Leafs, had 0 interest from any other NHL team, but is somehow now worthy of a Brinks truck?

He left when the Leafs chose Dubas and he didn't want to be part of that front office. He's quite clearly in a comfortable role with the Knights building CHL contenders year after year but I think he'd take over the GM role of the Leafs if asked again. And yeah I dunno why we'd need to give him a ton of money either. Just an interesting conversation piece. It wouldn't be something I want, just something I can see them doing.

 

[Gabriel426]

They don't have a first until 2028. They are not selling off anything. The right move is to be patient not panic like you are suggesting

If having first round picks is your reason for staying put and bringing the band back. The. Pretty sure if they trade AM and Willie, they will end up with more first round picks than now. Let’s do that then.

The team can’t win and I really don’t get why some here still think they are just a few supporting/depth pieces from winning the Cup.

 

[HockeyVirus]

If having first round picks is your reason for staying put and bringing the band back. The. Pretty sure if they trade AM and Willie, they will end up with more first round picks than now. Let’s do that then.

The team can’t win and I really don’t get why some here still think they are just a few supporting/depth pieces from winning the Cup.

You are a new fan I assume? I've lived through what you are suggesting. Ended with us watching the Leafs finish with the 2nd worst record in the NHL and the Bruins drafted a franchise center (something we were looking for for years) with our first.

 

[Tak7]

He left when the Leafs chose Dubas and he didn't want to be part of that front office. He's quite clearly in a comfortable role with the Knights building CHL contenders year after year but I think he'd take over the GM role of the Leafs if asked again. And yeah I dunno why we'd need to give him a ton of money either. Just an interesting conversation piece. It wouldn't be something I want, just something I can see them doing.

I don't think it's something they would consider at all - if it's true that they are nuking the President's role and amalgamizing the GM role, then I would imagine they want someone with a wealth of experience there.

I could also see them just expanding Treliving's role, which would really irritate me.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

You are a new fan I assume? I've lived through what you are suggesting. Ended with us watching the Leafs finish with the 2nd worst record in the NHL and the Bruins drafted a franchise center (something we were looking for for years) with our first.

Yup. Can't do scorched earth until the picks are back and Purse Boy's contract is over.

We have to maintain the illusion of contention while aggressively retooling.

 

[notbias]

You think Mark Hunter could be back with the Leafs?

The dumbest take in this thread (not you, Schremp)... no.

He left when the Leafs chose Dubas and he didn't want to be part of that front office. He's quite clearly in a comfortable role with the Knights building CHL contenders year after year but I think he'd take over the GM role of the Leafs if asked again. And yeah I dunno why we'd need to give him a ton of money either. Just an interesting conversation piece. It wouldn't be something I want, just something I can see them doing.

What did he do here?

Also, doesn't London convince "unwilling" players to report to the OHL that publicly said they wouldn't a lot?

Not sure that'll work in the NHL.

Someone can correct me on this point, but thought London bent the rules a little.

 

[SprDaVE]

The dumbest take in this thread (not you, Schremp)... no.



What did he do here?

Also, doesn't London convince "unwilling" players to report to the OHL that publicly said they wouldn't a lot?

Not sure that'll work in the NHL.

Someone can correct me on this point, but thought London bent the rules a little.

He wasn't here long enough and was just an assistant GM so it's hard to really say what kind of input he had a final say on. His drafts didn't work out in his short time here though for sure, especially the 2017 draft.. As for the CHL vs NHL, it's a huge difference but he's been around hockey for a very long time and has a wealth of experience. London definitely is the top of the class in terms of spending money and attacting talent, but he's also drafted a ton of super good players that have had big NHL careers. Not many GMs in any Junior or pro hockey league can have that kind of consistency for that long and not be good at what they do. Not all his work was bending the rules. Treliving and Hunter could be a duo that works well, I dunno.

If the Leafs push Treliving up and look for a GM instead of the other way around, I'd be curious what names would be brought into the convo.

 

[Buds17]

Expect Marner to stay if that happens

That somewhat feels like the only reason why it could happen.

 

[kevsh]

I could also see them just expanding Treliving's role, which would really irritate me.

For any organization, after back-to-back years where the team still couldn't manage to get out of the division despite all the moves & signings the GM made, giving him a broader role or promotion wouldn't even be seriously considered.

But this is alternate universe of MLSE, where I'd honestly be shocked if Shanahan departs Treliving isn't given his job, at least in some capacity.

In fact, despite my comments the other day expecting Shanahan's departure - I still think it's highly likely, they have to sacrifice someone to appease the fanbase - I would not be surprised to see him return.

Though more likely his role will not involve over-seeing the on-ice product but the business side (which I'm certain MLSE is very pleased with where they are under him), yet still entirely possible he keeps his entire portfolio (Yeah, I cringed when I wrote "portfolio", almost like I've turned into a corporate creature just watching this corporation disguised as a hockey team play).

Shanny back, impossible you say? Pelley told us last spring his mandate was "just win" blah-blah-blah then 2 months later the Leafs were bounced in the first round and Shanahan still had a job. Point being, with MLSE never, ever, ever bet against them running it back.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

For any organization, after back-to-back years where the team still couldn't manage to get out of the division despite all the moves & signings the GM made, giving him a broader role or promotion wouldn't even be seriously considered.

But this is alternate universe of MLSE, where I'd honestly be shocked if Shanahan departs Treliving isn't given his job, at least in some capacity.

In fact, despite my comments the other day expecting Shanahan's departure - I still think it's highly likely, they have to sacrifice someone to appease the fanbase - I would not be surprised to see him return.

Though more likely his role will not involve over-seeing the on-ice product but the business side (which I'm certain MLSE is very pleased with where they are under him), yet still entirely possible he keeps his entire portfolio (Yeah, I cringed when I wrote "portfolio", almost like I've turned into a corporate creature just watching this corporation disguised as a hockey team play).

Shanny back, impossible you say? Pelley told us last spring his mandate was "just win" blah-blah-blah then 2 months later the Leafs were bounced in the first round and Shanahan still had a job. Point being, with MLSE never, ever, ever bet against them running it back.

I agree that the idea of expansion of role and promotion is nonsensical given the current performance to date.

I don't agree that this is somehow an aberration not found in other organizations lol. Almost every major corporation I've worked in or with had a sizeable percentage of their senior staff fail upwards, so it seems like MLSE isn't bucking the trend. At the executive level, it isn't often how well you deliver results (i.e. that's mid-management shit), but how well you win allies, influence others, and eliminate your opponents. Success has more to do with being a great storyteller and suave with people than anything else.

 

[yort2010]

Yup. Can't do scorched earth until the picks are back and Purse Boy's contract is over.

We have to maintain the illusion of contention while aggressively retooling.

picks are top 10 protected

 

[Gabriel426]

You are a new fan I assume? I've lived through what you are suggesting. Ended with us watching the Leafs finish with the 2nd worst record in the NHL and the Bruins drafted a franchise center (something we were looking for for years) with our first.

I am new if being a fans since the early 90s consider new.

 

[rumman]

In what capacity lol?

Mark Hunter joined the Leafs, left the Leafs, had 0 interest from any other NHL team, but is somehow now worthy of a Brinks truck?

the Hunter boys have a gold mine with the Knights, they don't need the drama of the Leafs, and they don't need the money either..........

 

[Rare Jewel]

In what capacity lol?

Mark Hunter joined the Leafs, left the Leafs, had 0 interest from any other NHL team, but is somehow now worthy of a Brinks truck?

I'm quite sure he nearly went to Columbus.

But part of the reason he hasn't left is that it might not be worth the pay cut. He basically runs the Leafs of the CHL if they actually won playoff rounds...

 

[WTFMAN99]

I read through the CJ article on the Athletic

Isles want permission to speak with Shanny, no indication if they said yes/no to the request.

Leafs won't replace Shanahan if they choose to move on from him so basically it'll be Tree and then Pelley in terms of chain of command.

Feels like the organization leans to move on from Shanny, internally their goal was to reach the Eastern Conference final and while they were 1 win short, the way they lost the final 2 home games made it seem much further away.

 

[Tak7]

For any organization, after back-to-back years where the team still couldn't manage to get out of the division despite all the moves & signings the GM made, giving him a broader role or promotion wouldn't even be seriously considered.

But this is alternate universe of MLSE, where I'd honestly be shocked if Shanahan departs Treliving isn't given his job, at least in some capacity.

In fact, despite my comments the other day expecting Shanahan's departure - I still think it's highly likely, they have to sacrifice someone to appease the fanbase - I would not be surprised to see him return.

Though more likely his role will not involve over-seeing the on-ice product but the business side (which I'm certain MLSE is very pleased with where they are under him), yet still entirely possible he keeps his entire portfolio (Yeah, I cringed when I wrote "portfolio", almost like I've turned into a corporate creature just watching this corporation disguised as a hockey team play).

Shanny back, impossible you say? Pelley told us last spring his mandate was "just win" blah-blah-blah then 2 months later the Leafs were bounced in the first round and Shanahan still had a job. Point being, with MLSE never, ever, ever bet against them running it back.

I think the most likely scenario is that Shanahan is done, and either the President's role is abolished and/or Treliving's responsibilities are expanded to take on more on the hockey operations side of things.

There's an extremely rich irony that this was the sort of setup Kyle Dubas pushed for, and was ultimately fired for due to his frustration at having all of his decisions supervised, and it's ultimately going to be the hill that Shanahan will be fired on.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

picks are top 10 protected

Eventually they become unprotected or they'd have minimal value as currency.

We can't burn it down yet. We can't and we won't. That'll happen once Matthews' contract is up.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I think the most likely scenario is that Shanahan is done, and either the President's role is abolished and/or Treliving's responsibilities are expanded to take on more on the hockey operations side of things.

There's an extremely rich irony that this was the sort of setup Kyle Dubas pushed for, and was ultimately fired for due to his frustration at having all of his decisions supervised, and it's ultimately going to be the hill that Shanahan will be fired on.

Well, the idea that you propose taking your boss's job and then say he should take a job that he doesn't have the authority to assume is certainly a choice...

I'm just so tired of them, honestly.

 

[Confucius]

If having first round picks is your reason for staying put and bringing the band back. The. Pretty sure if they trade AM and Willie, they will end up with more first round picks than now. Let’s do that then.

The team can’t win and I really don’t get why some here still think they are just a few supporting/depth pieces from winning the Cup.

We can’t go for it next year anyway, we have no more 1sts to give up at the TDL

 

[The Masters]

It pains me to say it, but I really believe the biggest anchor right now is Morgan Rielly. We've seen the team excel with him out of the lineup. He's a team worst -8 on the season when McCabe and Tanev are +20 to 30. We had trouble moving the puck but he's supposed to be our best puck mover.

It's not the only change that is needed, but I see it as the biggest priority. Marner probably won't sign, but I would sign him. Bitch at me as you wish losing him is a big step back for us. I would divorce him from Matthews though. We need more balanced scoring - that is one thing Babcock always had right. Ditch the bottom 6 guys that aren't making a difference - Kampf, Jarnkrok, etc. Need guys with more edge/physicality there, and more speed.

He stinks no doubt but if Rantanen was here, do you really think he would look at Morgan Rielly as his defenceman and say "oh shyt I cant perform anymore in the playoffs" Lol

 

[The Masters]

I think the most likely scenario is that Shanahan is done, and either the President's role is abolished and/or Treliving's responsibilities are expanded to take on more on the hockey operations side of things.

There's an extremely rich irony that this was the sort of setup Kyle Dubas pushed for, and was ultimately fired for due to his frustration at having all of his decisions supervised, and it's ultimately going to be the hill that Shanahan will be fired on.

What's funny is that Dubas rumour of him trying to call Shanny but he was in New york too busy to answer. Lol

 

[colchar]

You think Mark Hunter could be back with the Leafs?

Bring back the guy who convinced them to draft Bitchy Mitchy?