End of Season Media Availability - Management ( 10 PST)

[Vector]

Honestly, I like how transparent JR is, it’s refreshing TBH.

At the very least, he’s excellent topic fodder.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Agree.I don't feel very confident going forward with them.There are to many red flags with this team as it is.Keeping EP40 over Miller was a big mistake.And now they are realizing it.

He demanded a trade.

 

[Lupuls Grit]

I know I’ll be in the minority here but I’d trade EP40 for Horvat. I’d be happy to have Horvat back and he’d be perfect.

I would be happy for Horvat to return but as a 2C behind Petterson. They are not going to be able to acquire a 1C and Horvat is not a 1C. Also resign Suter for top 6 wing/3C. With Chytil, Blueger, Aman, Ratu, Sasson that is pretty good centre depth. If Petey comes close to returning to form, that is solid.

 

[bossram]

At the very least, he’s excellent topic fodder.

JR certainly does love stirring up drama, and then later blaming the media for covering the things he said.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Wow that was entertaining! Better than any game this season, except for maybe the 3 goal in 1 min come back against the Stars.

So much to dissect, but a couple things stood out to me.

1) they really really didn't want to trade JTM, even now they still speak so highly of him. I really think in a vacuum, management probably prefer JTM over EP. JR said there was one incident that makes it necessary to trade JTM, I always thought it was a cumulation of multiple events? JR also seems to "blame" EP for not coming into the season in shape as the reason things fall apart (at least to the point where the working relationship cannot be saved). They almost sound bitter about this, and the team goes from a contender to now "in transition" as a result. I sense that the moment the team gets a "reasonable" offer for EP prior to his NTC kicking in, he is gone. Unfortunately for them, I don't think any team will make such offer and they are stuck with him.

2) I feel that they are going all-in next season for 2 reasons. Mainly because they feel (rightly or wrongly) that Hughes will likely leave to play with his brothers in NJ if the team is not competitive. That is why they are holding the line on Willander's bonuses in order to maximize every cent on the cap (which I think is short sighted to piss off our top prospect over a couple hundred Ks of cap space we may not end up using anyways). Secondly, JR said the franchise can't lose Hughes, I am assuming he means lose him for nothing because of factors not under Allvin's control. So if the team fall flat next season and Hughes is not extending, then they still have lots of time to trade him and get some value back. Obviously not ideal, but it is better than not getting anything back for Hughes.

I do appreciate the honesty in these press conferences, but I feel like every time they speak, especially JR, the team loses leverage in whatever upcoming deals they have to make. I sense a slow bleed of value on our assets over the next 12-18 months, and we either becomes a bubble contender, or a depleted organization that has no choice but to do a scorch earth rebuild.

 

[I am toxic]

People have the weirdest definitions of transparency and honesty

Just like I had to do lectures on intellectual dishonesty so people could sift through the Benning bullshit shilled here, it looks like I will have to do some TED talks on those topics as well

 

[Attack Vector]

People have the weirdest definitions of transparency and honesty

Just like I had to do lectures on intellectual dishonesty so people could sift through the Benning bullshit shilled here, it looks like I will have to do some TED talks on those topics as well

No you don't, the last thing people want is an 'academic' lecturing people.

 

[Breakers]

JR… your honesty might be an ideal trait for running a mom-and-pop shop in places like Carolina or Pittsburgh.

Unfortunately, you are now running a business in a much larger market under intense media scrutiny.

Learn to communicate with more care and strategy or just retire if you’ll continue to have trouble keeping filter on your mouth.

especially considering Daly reminded every team of tampering rules and fines in frigan November of 2024

saying fines are increasing and you can lose draft picks
can you imagine if we lost a draft because of this idiot


""For teams, fines may reach $5 million, coupled with the loss of draft picks and potentially even the forfeiture of signed players.

Individuals could also face fines of up to $1 million, suspension for tampering with other teams players""
--- Friedman

 

[credulous]

People have the weirdest definitions of transparency and honesty

Just like I had to do lectures on intellectual dishonesty so people could sift through the Benning bullshit shilled here, it looks like I will have to do some TED talks on those topics as well

yeah i don't get it either. everything rutherford says is self serving. he's not honest and transparent he's a snake oil salesman painting a narrative

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

You know when you are talking with someone who is aging and they start to:

• Have no filter
• Repeat themselves
• Go on and on

This is where Rutherford is at right now.

And for the Nucks and their fans, that is not a good thing.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

especially considering Daly reminded every team of tampering rules and fines in frigan November of 2024

saying fines are increasing and you can lose draft picks
can you imagine if we lost a draft because of this idiot


""For teams, fines may reach $5 million, coupled with the loss of draft picks and potentially even the forfeiture of signed players.

Individuals could also face fines of up to $1 million, suspension for tampering with other teams players""
--- Friedman

It would be very Canuck if Rutherford costs the team a pick that they were planning on using for an offersheet or trade.

 

[Breakers]

It would be very Canuck if Rutherford costs the team a pick that they were planning on using for an offersheet or trade.

I think rutherford has en ego bigger than the whole outdoors

we've had a 2nd round pick once in the last 5 years
we've had a 1st round pick twice in the last 5 years

if vancouver lost one simply to stroke his ego......... that would be brutal

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Right now, the best case scenario is that Quinn stays. Nobody knows how likely that really is.

Then you look at the alternatives, none of which are good.

The Devils would be making a mistake by even entertaining a trade that isn't obscenely lopsided in their favor.

Pettersson
Lekkerimaki
Willander
Kudryatsev
1st 2025
1st 2026
1st 2027

for

Jack Hughes
Luke Hughes

That's what I'm looking for if I'm the Devils, and I'm not sure if that's even enough. The Canucks making that trade all but guarantees they retain Quinn, and right now they are at a 50/50 chance he walks for nothing. Their best bet is to hold onto their franchise (albeit often injured) centre and top 4/5 young defenceman, and bide their time until the Canucks get desperate.

If they want to go the Quinn to New Jersey route, the most I could see them offering is:

Mercer
Nemec
1st 2026
2nd 2027

Again, because why would they do us a favor? They know they hold the cards here. If Jack and Luke were on different teams, this wouldn't be as complicated, but because they do, it is. This has always been a risk since the day they drafted Luke and has only grown with time as the Canucks failed to do anything with the high level of talent they assembled. The Devils are a young team on the upswing, the Canucks are a middling boat with one paddle.

This is just the reality we are in. No point sugar coating it. The only other option is shopping Hughes to other teams around the league, but Rutherford will probably hold a press conference to announce that they have no confidence in being able to resign Hughes so they're looking for trade partners...because he doesn't know how to wheel and deal. It's all about leverage, and right now he has very little. Honesty and transparency (out in the open) are *not* good negotiating tactics, you are showing all of your cards and expecting others around the table to make poor decisions to suit your agenda.

 

[I am toxic]

No you don't, the last thing people want is an 'academic' lecturing people.

I wasn't certain, but after your post I realize I have no choice

Like a pistol-toting panda departing the eating establishment . . .

It's ok though , everyone has me on ignore anyway, no fowl, no harm

 

[Vector]

JR certainly does love stirring up drama, and then later blaming the media for covering the things he said.

He's my Dad. Five years older but have pretty much the exact same personalities and quirks. I'm far more willing to forgive the weird old-manness purely because he reminds me of my father so much.

 

[JT Milker]

Right now, the best case scenario is that Quinn stays. Nobody knows how likely that really is.

Then you look at the alternatives, none of which are good.

The Devils would be making a mistake by even entertaining a trade that isn't obscenely lopsided in their favor.

Pettersson
Lekkerimaki
Willander
Kudryatsev
1st 2025
1st 2026
1st 2027

for

Jack Hughes
Luke Hughes

That's what I'm looking for if I'm the Devils, and I'm not sure if that's even enough. The Canucks making that trade all but guarantees they retain Quinn, and right now they are at a 50/50 chance he walks for nothing. Their best bet is to hold onto their franchise (albeit often injured) centre and top 4/5 young defenceman, and bide their time until the Canucks get desperate.

If they want to go the Quinn to New Jersey route, the most I could see them offering is:

Mercer
Nemec
1st 2026
2nd 2027

Again, because why would they do us a favor? They know they hold the cards here. If Jack and Luke were on different teams, this wouldn't be as complicated, but because they do, it is. This has always been a risk since the day they drafted Luke and has only grown with time as the Canucks failed to do anything with the high level of talent they assembled. The Devils are a young team on the upswing, the Canucks are a middling boat with one paddle.

This is just the reality we are in. No point sugar coating it. The only other option is shopping Hughes to other teams around the league, but Rutherford will probably hold a press conference to announce that they have no confidence in being able to resign Hughes so they're looking for trade partners...because he doesn't know how to wheel and deal. It's all about leverage, and right now he has very little. Honesty and transparency (out in the open) are *not* good negotiating tactics, you are showing all of your cards and expecting others around the table to make poor decisions to suit your agenda.

Given J Hughes’ injury history, NJD may entertain a trade around J Hughes and Pettersson that includes multiple valuable adds on our side to the point that we aren’t improving our team, but they definitely wouldn’t move both for anything we could offer (outside of Q Hughes, which would be hilarious).

 

[sting101]

How can anyone watch these last two seasons play out and say yeah... That Rick Tocchet, it's all his fault Petey turned into a pumpkin for the last 16 months.

You guys are fans of the Canucks right? You've watched what real commitment to improvement is with Hughes right? Yet the defending of Petey is endless... If he had Hughes' drive to improve, we would be talking about having two top 5-10 players in the NHL.

And almost 3

 

[Raistlin]

No you don't, the last thing people want is an 'academic' lecturing people.

imagine if our caveman ancestors all rejected their adults lecturing them about how to interpret the world around them?

there is a time and place to be honest. there is a time and place to be cagey. Not being clear on when Hughes said he wants to play with his brothers is a surefire way to create unwanted noise for Hughes, esp because I'm pretty sure JR didnt mean to say it the way he said it.

Imagine the giant facepalm he did when JR just blurted out a completely ill conceived response to an innocent question that everyone has asked before.

Praising Miller while offering nothing but skepticism to EP does what? increase pressure on a guy that has proven he does not deal with media pressure well? just turn the page on Miller already no reason to answer questions about him anymore.

 

[sting101]

Well he did single handedly propel the rags into the playoffs. Saving Laviolettes job.

I hear people say this but why hasn't McDavid and Draisaitl won 2-3 Cups by now or how come the Norris trophy winner Fox and Vezina Shesterkin hadn't already carried them into a lock playoff spot. For that matter how come Demko Hughes Pettersson didn't carry this team to more than 1 division title in the last 6yrs or 2 somewhat brief playoff runs?

 

[centipede2233]

What I took away from the presser is that Quinn Hughes is gone in 2 years

 

[Raistlin]

What I took away from the presser is that Quinn Hughes is gone in 2 years

More likely than not, JR is just giving us a scenario where Quinn rejects the generous offer they are about to table for him. He was likely thinking of what the captain said before 4 nations.

 

[Raistlin]

You know when you are talking with someone who is aging and they start to:

• Have no filter
• Repeat themselves
• Go on and on

This is where Rutherford is at right now.

And for the Nucks and their fans, that is not a good thing.

Reminds me of another president out there.

 

[centipede2233]

More likely than not, JR is just giving us a scenario where Quinn rejects the generous offer they are about to table for him. He was likely thinking of what the captain said before 4 nations.

I think JR likely retires once Hughes leaves. JR and Alvin know they are screwed.

 

[bossram]

yeah i don't get it either. everything rutherford says is self serving. he's not honest and transparent he's a snake oil salesman painting a narrative

100%. Everything he said was in service of deflecting blame away from him.

 

[bossram]

You know when you are talking with someone who is aging and they start to:

• Have no filter
• Repeat themselves
• Go on and on

This is where Rutherford is at right now.

And for the Nucks and their fans, that is not a good thing.

He's a rambling senile old man. Happens to everyone, but let's face reality.