End of Season Media Availability - Management ( 10 PST)

[BoHorvat 53]

Like it just feels like people are forgetting Quinn literally went on record saying all of this just last week

Hughes feeling weight of Canucks' season: 'This year has been hard'

Being captain has made the 25-year-old feel acutely the sting of this National Hockey League season, which the Canucks began with Stanley Cup aspirations after Vancouver’s best season in a decade but will almost certainly end with the team missing the playoffs for the eighth time in 10 years.

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It's going to come down to how this team performs next year realistically. If we don't make the playoffs, just take the best package the Devils offer and rip the bandage off.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

Management seems to be poised to double-down on making poor decisions again.

 

[VHG]

I think our biggest issue is I think what management is saying is wrong, and you think what they are saying must be right... correct me if i am wrong there.

Cause to me all evidence from photos to performance points to past and current knee issues. Management think oh a player can play through that... is just stupid. No one should be taking anything a coach or management says about an injury at face value especially about knees with our last 3 big knee issues all being mishandled.

Re trading Pettersson... why did it have to be a young Centre? We didn't trade that for Miller... unless you think that is Chytil in which case why are they still saying they need a centre?

They can't count on Chytil's health. I think he's a fine player.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Who the f*** cares about what they say? People take the message and spin it whatever which way they choose. Hell, the Bible is open to interpretation.

Let me know when something actually happens. Don't give me tears from stuff that hasn't happened yet.

 

[Canuckle1970]

What a disappointment. The "always entertaining" Jimmy Rutherford seems to love screwing the pooch. Poor Allvin.

If I'm Petey or Hughes or Tocchet, I'm thinking "get me the f*ck out of here". Color me gob-smacked if Tocchet stays, and it may take a bucket of $$$$$$$$$$$$.

 

[SnapIt]

Who the f*** cares about what they say? People take the message and spin it whatever which way they choose. Hell, the Bible is open to interpretation.

Let me know when something actually happens. Don't give me tears from stuff that hasn't happened yet.

If I was the franchise captain and had to answer questions about the dumb things being said by management through unforced errors…. I’d be pissed off.

 

[Hodgy]

I think our biggest issue is I think what management is saying is wrong, and you think what they are saying must be right... correct me if i am wrong there.

You are wrong in that I am not saying that they "must be right". I ultimately don't know who is right. But it would be strange for them to say all these bad things about Pettersson if they at least didn't believe them to be correct, and even then, its kind of strange anyway. And it would also be strange if they were totally incorrect on all these things. And again, they have access to way more information than anyone else.

In any event, the whole thing is strange, but what would be even stranger, is if they were just making all of these false accusations regarding Pettersson and his injury (either intentionally or because they are grossly incompetent) as that wouldn't be in anyone's best interests, and if that is what they are actually doing (and you seem to think that this is the case - but correct me if I am wrong), then why hasn't Pettersson's agent or Pettersson corrected the record? I can't imagine Pettersson's agent wouldn't come out and basically say he was injured this last season if he actually was when the team is saying something to the contrary, and where Pettersson has previously already disclosed this injury for a different time period, or where his agent felt fine bringing up the injury as an excuse to his off season training. I mean, look at how quickly Willander's agent came out and set the record straight when JR said Willander was planning on going back to school.

Cause to me all evidence from photos to performance points to past and current knee issues.

Again, I am not really sure what more you want. Pettersson didn't disclose any knee injury at his end of season presser (when he did the year before), and management has basically confirmed there was no injury. What more evidence do you want?

Management think oh a player can play through that... is just stupid. No one should be taking anything a coach or management says about an injury at face value especially about knees with our last 3 big knee issues all being mishandled.

You should read some of @Soups On posts on patellar tendinitis and playing through it.

Re trading Pettersson... why did it have to be a young Centre? We didn't trade that for Miller... unless you think that is Chytil in which case why are they still saying they need a centre?

My point is that I don't think they could have got back the kind of value that justified trading Pettersson. They were instead, looking at a Necas type player, or whatever. Which, in hindsight, may have actually made sense, but would have left us with a hole a centre and an aging JT Miller as well.

 

[Jyrki21]

Has Quinn actually said he wants to play with his brothers? That seems like something that everyone else just speculates about. (And even if he has, I can't imagine it would ever have been more committal than saying "that would be cool" to an abstract question).

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Good god that was rough. Jim Rutherford is well past his shelf life as an NHL team figurehead.

Writing is basically on the wall for a Willander trade and now....you have to brace for this franchise to lose their generational defenseman. This franchise is absolutely cooked.

Anyone that is optimistic about the next few years is in total denial.

 

[TruGr1t]

All of management's comments since they got here can basically be summed up to: "Well, it's all a huge clusterf***, but it's not really our fault."

At some point, it is indeed your fault.

 

[racerjoe]

You are wrong in that I am not saying that they "must be right". I ultimately don't know who is right. But it would be strange for them to say all these bad things about Pettersson if they at least didn't believe them to be correct, and even then, its kind of strange anyway. And it would also be strange if they were totally incorrect on all these things. And again, they have access to way more information than anyone else.

In any event, the whole thing is strange, but what would be even stranger, is if they were just making all of these false accusations regarding Pettersson and his injury (either intentionally or because they are grossly incompetent) as that wouldn't be in anyone's best interests, and if that is what they are actually doing (and you seem to think that this is the case - but correct me if I am wrong), then why hasn't Pettersson's agent or Pettersson corrected the record? I can't imagine Pettersson's agent wouldn't come out and basically say he was injured this last season if he actually was when the team is saying something to the contrary, and where Pettersson has previously already disclosed this injury for a different time period, or where his agent felt fine bringing up the injury as an excuse to his off season training. I mean, look at how quickly Willander's agent came out and set the record straight when JR said Willander was planning on going back to school.



Again, I am not really sure what more you want. Pettersson didn't disclose any knee injury at his end of season presser (when he did the year before), and management has basically confirmed there was no injury. What more evidence do you want?


You should read some of @Soups On posts on patellar tendinitis and playing through it.


My point is that I don't think they could have got back the kind of value that justified trading Pettersson. They were instead, looking at a Necas type player, or whatever. Which, in hindsight, may have actually made sense, but would have left us with a whole a centre and an aging JT Miller as well.

I have read @Soups On posts, and between him and @I am toxic a lot of good points have been made, and they both know more than I do about the injuries.

However I do think that is if things are done correctly and not screwed up which is where I start to lean.

by that I mean if we handled the knee injury correct i think everything Soups says would be and should be spot on... but I just highly doubt our medical staff and trainers have done that. Because there is a lot of evidence that our medical staff is not very good, and evidence that Petey's knee is still bothering him. From pictures of the knee itself, to yes him icing it, to even just how they handled it that we know.

I do think its management thinking player A could play through this so it must be fine... when no person is the same, and no injury is the same. I just don't think they get it.

Its also not just with Petey, but even Demko like what the hell have we done there...

Or lets look at the Willander contract... how are we screwing this up so much over something that if he gets is actually a good thing...

Again if this is what management thinks, they should have traded him. (thats not what I would have done, but what they should have)

They have just been very frustrating.

 

[arttk]

Very interesting press conference. Some of the interesting/new things I learned:

1. JR really seem to imply they were considering an offer sheet when he stopped himself and said he wasn't going to show his hand. Not sure what other means of improving the centre position there was (he had discussed trades and free agency);
2. Confirmation that JT requested the leave of absence the implication being that the leave of absence wasn't a penalty forced on JT. The latter interpretation of the facts seems to have been the prevailing view on here, so this flips upside down how we all thought things went. JR also talked about how much he respected JT which suggest there wasn't some egregious thing that JT did wrong. JT also discussed how he though it wasn't just the JT and EP, but that other players were involved. Overall, not good at all, and it seems an open question as to whether trading JT even fixes the chemistry issue;
3. More on the JT and EP situation, but as others have suggested, management really seems to have preferred JT, and if not for age, would have traded EP. JR specifically referenced looking at other options other than trading JT which obviously meant trading Pettersson;
4. Comments on Pettersson and his injury in response to Brough. Made it pretty clear that Pettersson's knee was fine this year and specifically addressed the icing of the knee at the Four Nations which was an unrelated injury. Acknowledged that the injury impacted his off season training, but seem to suggest that his training was poor and that Pettersson didn't avail himself to the resources available to a professional athlete to train and rehabilitate his knee. Seems to lineup with the Cam Robinson rumour regarding his training, and also is consistent with @Soups On posts about loading the knee / rehabilitation;
5. More on Pettersson, but again, management referenced that he wasn't practicing hard enough in season, so this definitely appears to be an effort thing, at least from management's perspective. Seems to be part of the "buy in" theme.

Which centers are up for offersheeting?

 

[Hodgy]

All of management's comments since they got here can basically be summed up to: "Well, it's all a huge clusterf***, but it's not really our fault."

At some point, it is indeed your fault.

It is too bad our soft as hell media weren't willing to ask any questions on how their roster construction may have led to the abysmal results. Instead, the media was happy to ask questions the answers to which were going to be obvious criticism of the players.

 

[wonton15]

Has Quinn actually said he wants to play with his brothers? That seems like something that everyone else just speculates about. (And even if he has, I can't imagine it would ever have been more committal than saying "that would be cool" to an abstract question).

The fact that Rutherford even alluded to it is enough confirmation that Quinn himself has alluded to it directly or indirectly.

 

[Hodgy]

I have read @Soups On posts, and between him and @I am toxic a lot of good points have been made, and they both know more than I do about the injuries.

One of those posters is a medical practitioner the other isn't...so I know who I would defer to.

However I do think that is if things are done correctly and not screwed up which is where I start to lean.

by that I mean if we handled the knee injury correct i think everything Soups says would be and should be spot on... but I just highly doubt our medical staff and trainers have done that.

Ya, who knows whether the injury was or wasn't handled correct.

Because there is a lot of evidence that our medical staff is not very good,

There isn't though. Basically the "evidence" is that the Canucks have injuries, and these injuries sometimes don't heal in the manner the fans expect. Fans, therefore, conclude the medical team sucks. But the fans criticizing the team's medical staff almost never have any medical training and are clearly not in a position of understanding to even criticize the medical team, and even if they were, they don't even have the requisite information to criticize the medical team. And moreover, even if these fans had the medical expertise and information necessary to criticize the medical team, they'd also need a keen understanding of the general standard of medical advice being provided at an NHL level....which they don't.

Of course, the Canucks medical team could actually suck. I don't know.

and evidence that Petey's knee is still bothering him. From pictures of the knee itself, to yes him icing it, to even just how they handled it that we know.

That isn't evidence that he has an ongoing knee issue. Management literally just said that the icing was to deal with a knee injury he sustained from crashing into the boards at the Four Nations, not patellar tendinitis.

I do think its management thinking player A could play through this so it must be fine... when no person is the same, and no injury is the same. I just don't think they get it.

That's fine, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Its also not just with Petey, but even Demko like what the hell have we done there...

Again, there isn't really any evidence of incompetence here.

Or lets look at the Willander contract... how are we screwing this up so much over something that if he gets is actually a good thing...

This is just what aboutism though, isn't it?

Again if this is what management thinks, they should have traded him. (thats not what I would have done, but what they should have)

But they obviously still believe in Pettersson, and if Pettersson rebounds, then not trading him was the right decision.

 

[iFan]

If Hughes isn’t planning on staying here, then move him. Cash in on him well we can. We can’t be moving Willander or D Petey for forward help only to see Hughes walk as a UFA. Love Hughes but if plans on leaving we need to deal with this now. Right now the team is being built around him.

 

[Nucky]

Rutherford is probably gonna retire if Hughes leaves anyway, no stress for him.

 

[Rotang]

Not feeling great after that presser. A few more own goals is just icing on the cake for this turd of a season.

 

[I am toxic]

Who the f*** cares about what they say? People take the message and spin it whatever which way they choose. Hell, the Bible is open to interpretation.

Let me know when something actually happens. Don't give me tears from stuff that hasn't happened yet.

What part of beating of breasts and gnashing of teeth do you not understand?

And if there are any disputes over the bible's meaning, we have in this very forum a reverand . . . oh . . . wait . . . well, we have a pastor . . . oh . . . wait . . .


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well we have @God

checkmate

 

[ManVanFan]

I'm 5 minutes in.
Rutherford
"Can you be a contending team with your top player just getting points" "I can answer that question, no you can't"

Is this a joke? Mackinnon, Eichel, Kucherov, Ovi, Patty Kane. YEAH, you clearly can. You just have to find them the right help.

 

[Timmer44]

Sounds like the Canucks are getting fined for his Hughes comment. They need to gag Grandpa.

 

[God]

What part of beating of breasts and gnashing of teeth do you not understand?

And if there are any disputes over the bible's meaning, we have in this very forum a reverand . . . oh . . . wait . . . well, we have a pastor . . . oh . . . wait . . .


. . .


. . .

well we have @God

checkmate

they didn't say anything we didn't already know, and everybody is mad that they're saying it out loud

 

[Nick Lang]

Mancini is an extremely promising player, he can move in the offensive


Sorry but you don’t know how reality works.

Lol, yeah don't pay any attention to all the people who have told you you're wrong on this. It's a great way to learn. Hehe, joking but Mancini is nothing at this point and young players who aren't all-stars are just happy to have a starting spot, not worrying about taking a top job playing big minutes on day 1. That would be silly.

 

[GOONER1]

Making EP the franchise player was a death sentence for this team for the next decade. The management group don’t seem to like his professionalism and haven’t accepted that he isn’t a dynamic scorer and are calling him out publicly for it.

 

[Jerry the great]

Also, Luke Hughes can receive an offer sheet. He has completed three years of professional experience since he burned his first season.

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