End of Season Media Availability - Management ( 10 PST)

[ephmrl]

All optimism should be out the window from that presser.

Mgmt has clearly lost the plot.

1. Basically says Hughes is out the door.
2. Basically says Willander isn’t signing thus reducing his value in a trade.
3. Praises Miller (whom they traded) and throws EP under the bus.
4. Basically confirms Tocchet is pretty much out the door.
5. Acknowledges they will pay any asking price for a Top 6 C.

Holy f***.

What a shit show.

'Basically' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Ya, I thought the same thing when JR referenced not showing his cards. But what centre could be offer sheeted this year? @Vector !

Mavrik Bourque!

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

'Basically' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

Basically.

 

[VanJack]

I just think the whole tidbit he added about Hughes playing with his brothers is pure incompetence. There is quite literally 0 need to put that out there, it accomplishes absolutely nothing and just puts more pressure on Quinn making things real awkward.

Incompetence? Why? All he said was that if Quinn Hughes leaves Vancouver, "it won't be about money'. It will about about playing with his brothers.

Sadly, I think all Rutherford is doing is 'softening up the market', like he did before Miller was dealt. Rutherford agreed with the media questioner, 'that losing Hughes would be disastrous for the franchise'. But the key phrase was 'losing'.

There's no way Hughes contract gets anywhere near its expiration date at the end of the 2027 season. If he isn't signed by the off-season in 2026, then a trade is almost an automatic.

So they wouldn't be 'losing Hughes', they'd be gaining players in a trade. And it had better be a good one.

 

[4th line culture]

That's not what was said. What was said was that EP needs to "buy in". Now, how do we interpret that? My interpretation was they want EP to level up like Yzerman and Crosby did. These guys dragged their teammates into the fight. There was never any question of effort. Teammates looked to them for inspiration. Things like work ethic, passion to win, holding teammates accountable, when giving your best find a next level etc.

Just because a guy is good offensively and defensively doesn't mean he has these intangibles that are absolutely required from your best player if the team is going to be a contender. I think that was JR's point.

Rick tocchet literally said "reprogramming".

Jim said today that tocchet has been doing that since he got here. So yes they have been trying to reprogram a 100 point 2 way center.

The results of their efforts so far are a 45 point third line center..

 

[Canucks LB]

I was fairly confident that we had a good shot of signing quinn next offseason.

Now, after tonight, I think it’s a foregone conclusion he’s going to New Jersey, just brutal

 

[Raistlin]

I will say I am liking our management less and less.

If they preferred JT, they should have kept him and traded for a younger asset with Pettersson... Thats idiocy.

Clearly no matter what they say his knee is currently still an issue... you can't say its not an issue... well it did swell up and need treatment at this point... but its not an issue. thats just stupid pointless talk. They chose to keep Pettersson, and talking him down in the media has clearly not worked... there is countless examples of it not working... his knee is clearly an issue a year later if its swelling up. Just what are they doing?

I still don't completely by this effort and practising thing... it seems to me that it wasn't a problem until he changed trainers, and even then it wasn't a problem until he was injured, and only became a problem when it sounds like his rehab didn't go well/ wasn't good enough. Like I would like to ask management.. think he was practising hard enough because he was injured...

Its just they way they seem to handle their business is so messy and always seems to be against what they want is some way.

This isn't to talk about his attitude towards. I can't comment on that, just what we seem to have been able to piece together.

you look at what they are saying vs what they are doing. there is no coherence if you really follow the whole team as closely as we do. I understand we are not in their room....but it seems like they are telegraphing publicly their buyers remorse... or seller's in this case.

one thing I learned from following politics. before you step in front of a microphone. You need to nail down the message and gameplan.... these sort of off the cuff riffs with the media work in the 90s-00s.... thats the difference between the public's impression of your administration as competent vs whatever goes. thats how you attract and retain good FAs and management talent to work for you, vs having a bunch of people running around with their own agendas.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

It would be very Canuck if JR just cost the Nucks a pick to eliminate any chance of an offersheet.

 

[ManVanFan]

I was fairly confident that we had a good shot of signing quinn next offseason.

Now, after tonight, I think it’s a foregone conclusion he’s going to New Jersey, just brutal

I haven't watched but the quotes I've seen and the clips I've heard. It doesn't sound like it went well. Didn't they just extend Allvin?

 

[ManVanFan]

you look at what they are saying vs what they are doing. there is no coherence if you really follow the whole team as closely as we do. I understand we are not in their room....but it seems like they are telegraphing publicly their buyers remorse... or seller's in this case.

one thing I learned from following politics. before you step in front of a microphone. You need to nail down the message and gameplan.... these sort of off the cuff riffs with the media work in the 90s-00s.... thats the difference between the public's impression of your administration as competent vs whatever goes. thats how you attract and retain good FAs and management talent to work for you, vs having a bunch of people running around with their own agendas.

Didn't Gilman say something about how the front office was much more aligned when he was there. Lol.

 

[I am toxic]

//
Pettersson’s Injury History (Allvin)

• A lot of NHLers that play through injuries throughout the year
• Pettersson’s offseason played into his poor season
• Has resources to handle different things
• As of now, is healthy and is rehabbing his oblique
• Had some swelling in his knee during the 4 Nations but is not an issue now
• Hopefully will be healthy coming into next season

//

So Petey's knee is totally fine

It just swelled up the one time cameras were in the dressing room, at 4 Nations

Gosh. The odds of that happening. Huh

Hmmmm

Hnnh

Well, I'll be . . .

Again, huh

Well, okeedokee then, nothing to see here, move along, move along

As I said, the more I hear, the worse it looks. Hopefully my cognitive dissonance is far greater than the damage to Petey's totally healthy knee. Totally healthy

 

[supercanuck]

Ok.

Wtf are they doing with Elias Pettersson?

I never bought the reprogramming thing but it sure sounds like they some how did not understand he was already a great defensive forward...

I honestly just don't think they like him for some reason. It's like how a MIL would see their daughter/son in law. Everything about EP is presented in a negative light.

• EP didn't try hard enough to accept the bullying, but JT is a great guy and person though.
• Injured so you can't train properly? Well that means you are unprepared and unprofessional.
• Top 10 in points and Selke voting? Well we better change the way you play, because you're not a winner.

 

[wonton15]

Can’t exactly say I disagree.

 

[racerjoe]

you look at what they are saying vs what they are doing. there is no coherence if you really follow the whole team as closely as we do. I understand we are not in their room....but it seems like they are telegraphing publicly their buyers remorse... or seller's in this case.

one thing I learned from following politics. before you step in front of a microphone. You need to nail down the message and gameplan.... these sort of off the cuff riffs with the media work in the 90s-00s.... thats the difference between the public's impression of your administration as competent vs whatever goes. thats how you attract and retain good FAs and management talent to work for you, vs having a bunch of people running around with their own agendas.

I ave said for a while our PA seems to be terrible.

 

[Hodgy]

If they preferred JT, they should have kept him and traded for a younger asset with Pettersson... Thats idiocy.

I'm sure they would have done that if they could have traded Pettersson for a similarly aged quality centre. But that's extremely unlikely.

Clearly no matter what they say his knee is currently still an issue... you can't say its not an issue... well it did swell up and need treatment at this point... but its not an issue. thats just stupid pointless talk.

The icing of the knee was because he crashed into the boards at the Four Nations. I am not sure why that would have anything to do with his kneeing still being an issue. Impact causes swelling, and ice is used to stop the swelling. You don't have to have a bum knee for impact to cause swelling on your knee.

They chose to keep Pettersson, and talking him down in the media has clearly not worked... there is countless examples of it not working

I agree with you, generally. They are doing it because: no other messaging is working with him; and/or they are trying to deflect blame to Pettersson.

... his knee is clearly an issue a year later if its swelling up. Just what are they doing?

Pretty clearly management just confirmed that his knee is fine and was fine last year? Am I missing something?

I still don't completely by this effort and practising thing... it seems to me that it wasn't a problem until he changed trainers, and even then it wasn't a problem until he was injured, and only became a problem when it sounds like his rehab didn't go well/ wasn't good enough. Like I would like to ask management.. think he was practising hard enough because he was injured...

I think management's position is pretty clear at this point. They know Pettersson had patellar tendinitis. They think this injury is the type of injury that players routinely play through without much issue. They recognized that the injury was an issue for Pettersson in terms of training in the off season, but they basically came out and implied that it didn't have to be an issue if he trained appropriately. And overall, management seems to think Pettersson just isn't preparing well enough in the off season, or on a day to day basis including practicing. They could be wrong on some or all of this, but it has to be recognized that they have access to way more information than you or I do, so its interesting some posters are so certain that management is wrong on this.

Its just they way they seem to handle their business is so messy and always seems to be against what they want is some way.

Fair point. And again, I don't really disagree with you on how they have come about this from a PR perspective. Its all very strange, but interesting.

 

[Canucks LB]

I haven't watched but the quotes I've seen and the clips I've heard. It doesn't sound like it went well. Didn't they just extend Allvin?

Rutherford said the quiet part out loud

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Can’t exactly say I disagree.

We laugh at Buffalo but I don’t think we are that much different.

 

[I am toxic]

All optimism should be out the window from that presser.

Mgmt has clearly lost the plot.

1. Basically says Hughes is out the door.
2. Basically says Willander isn’t signing thus reducing his value in a trade.
3. Praises Miller (whom they traded) and throws EP under the bus.
4. Basically confirms Tocchet is pretty much out the door.
5. Acknowledges they will pay any asking price for a Top 6 C.

Holy f***.

What a shit show.

You forgot the tampering

It's ok, when that much shit is stirred together, it's hard to pick out individual steaming heaps of putrid durian smelling shit

Ask me how I know

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Is Rutherford f***ing dumb? Holy shit.

 

[Attack Vector]

Mancini is an extremely promising player, he can move in the offensive

What lol? Of course you can. Myers has been acceptable but certainly not too good for the third line if we have better. That's how NHL hockey works when you get older. He's a perfect candidate to get pushed down by younger progressing prospects.



Now you think he's too good to play in a rookie role when he hasn't played a single NA game as a pro? This is laughable.



Nonsense without a doubt. It is the perfect opportunity to make the lineup and was designed as such.

Sorry but you don’t know how reality works.

 

[ManVanFan]

Rutherford said the quiet part out loud

He's turning into the hockey version of trump.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Incompetence? Why? All he said was that if Quinn Hughes leaves Vancouver, "it won't be about money'. It will about about playing with his brothers.

Sadly, I think all Rutherford is doing is 'softening up the market', like he did before Miller was dealt. Rutherford agreed with the media questioner, 'that losing Hughes would be disastrous for the franchise'. But the key phrase was 'losing'.

There's no way Hughes contract gets anywhere near its expiration date at the end of the 2027 season. If he isn't signed by the off-season in 2026, then a trade is almost an automatic.

So they wouldn't be 'losing Hughes', they'd be gaining players in a trade. And it had better be a good one.

Because all you have done is make things awkward for the player? You do know what market he plays in, right? He's effectively creating more drama for an organization that has plenty on it's plate as-is. It doesn't take a genius to recognize that it's Vancouver or New Jersey for Quinn.

He's not softening up the market because we wouldn't be pushing all our chips in if we were resigned to the inevitability of Quinn leaving. If we make the playoffs, Petey bounces back I feel pretty safe in projecting a Hughes extension, whether that is for 4 years or 8 years.

 

[racerjoe]

I'm sure they would have done that if they could have traded Pettersson for a similarly aged quality centre. But that's extremely unlikely.



The icing of the knee was because he crashed into the boards at the Four Nations. I am not sure why that would have anything to do with his kneeing still being an issue. Impact causes swelling, and ice is used to stop the swelling. You don't have to have a bum knee for impact to cause swelling on your knee.


I agree with you, generally. They are doing it because: no other messaging is working with him; and/or they are trying to deflect blame to Pettersson.



Pretty clearly management just confirmed that his knee is fine and was fine last year? Am I missing something?



I think management's position is pretty clear at this point. They know Pettersson had patellar tendinitis. They think this injury is the type of injury that players routinely play through without much issue. They recognized that the injury was an issue for Pettersson in terms of training in the off season, but they basically came out and implied that it didn't have to be an issue if he trained appropriately. And overall, management seems to think Pettersson just isn't preparing well enough in the off season, or on a day to day basis including practicing. They could be wrong on some or all of this, but it has to be recognized that they have access to way more information than you or I do, so its interesting some posters are so certain that management is wrong on this.


Fair point. And again, I don't really disagree with you on how they have come about this from a PR perspective. Its all very strange, but interesting.

I think our biggest issue is I think what management is saying is wrong, and you think what they are saying must be right... correct me if i am wrong there.

Cause to me all evidence from photos to performance points to past and current knee issues. Management think oh a player can play through that... is just stupid. No one should be taking anything a coach or management says about an injury at face value especially about knees with our last 3 big knee issues all being mishandled.

Re trading Pettersson... why did it have to be a young Centre? We didn't trade that for Miller... unless you think that is Chytil in which case why are they still saying they need a centre?

 

[BoHorvat 53]

I was fairly confident that we had a good shot of signing quinn next offseason.

Now, after tonight, I think it’s a foregone conclusion he’s going to New Jersey, just brutal

I think that's an overreaction, because if that was the case it would make 0 sense to be putting our best prospects + picks on the table for a center.

I think there is absolutely pressure though, because by all accounts Quinn just wants to win. If we can prove this season was a fluke, I do think he stays.

 

[VHG]

Early Predictions / wishlists Everybody?

What I would LIKE to Hear.
1 - Accountability
2 - Go in depth on exactly wtf was going on with Pettersson and maybe get more clarity on the JT Miller Situation
3 - Poke and see if trading Petey is a realistic scenario
4 - Poke and see if Canucks will trade a top prospect to get better
5 - Specifically ask about if Quinn Hughes timeline is the key to success, and how aggressive they plan to be in the offseason (We have heard this before, they usually are)
6 - GO into more details on the Offseason
7 - Go in depth on Tochett and see exactly what the issue is with him getting signed.
8 - Willander

They need to sign Willander. EP40 needs to be kept on a very short leash, if they keep him at all. I hope he gets moved, take the loss and move on.