Empty net goal scoring is getting out of control

[Derailed75]

I find it adds excitement to the game. When the goalie is pulled its kind of a do or die for the team with 6 skaters. Two years ago Iwas at a Canes-Sharks game, the Shraks lead by one when RBA pulled the goalie. The Sharks quickly scored to make it a 2 goal lead, but RBA pulled the goalie again and the Canes scored. Pulled him again and the Canes tied it with 12 seconds left and than won in OT.

It was the most exciting sporting event I have seen live.

 

[Mogo]

So ? Pavel Bure had like 10 every season

 

[tarheelhockey]

This is nothing new, when Pavel Bure scored his 60 goal season 10 of them were into an empty net and no one cried about his numbers being skewed.

Only because HFBoards didn’t exist yet.

 

[Three On Zero]

Only because HFBoards didn’t exist yet.

Not sure what makes me feel older, Bure scoring 60 in ‘94 or HF coming around in 2000

 

[tarheelhockey]

Not sure what makes me feel older, Bure scoring 60 in ‘94 or HF coming around in 2000

I actually had to double-check his stats when making that comment because I mentally round Bure’s ‘00 and ‘01 up to 60 goals, but he never actually hit that number after ‘94.

(Of course, scoring 58 in 2000 had the value of scoring like 70 in ‘94)

I REALLY wish HF had been around and archived in the early 90s. That would have been loads of fun.

 

[Three On Zero]

I actually had to double-check his stats when making that comment because I mentally round Bure’s ‘00 and ‘01 up to 60 goals, but he never actually hit that number after ‘94.

(Of course, scoring 58 in 2000 had the value of scoring like 70 in ‘94)

I REALLY wish HF had been around and archived in the early 90s. That would have been loads of fun.

Yeah, I just wish I hadn’t forgot about my original account from the way back. Back when you needed an invite to join the forum

 

[Peltz]

Sure, that makes a lot of sense analytically and there’s little doubt pulling the goalie earlier statistically improves a team’s chances of winning. But is it good for the integrity of the sport I wonder?

There is absolutely nothing at stake here with hockey's integrity by pulling the goalie early.

 

[Peltz]

Unpopular opinion: ENG shouldn't have any more value to a player's stat sheet than shootout goals.

I don't like this. They're real goals. When one team pulls the goalie, the odds of EITHER team scoring increases. If a 6 on 5 goal counts the same statistically, one way, then it should count the same the other way too.

Shootout goals are totally different.

 

[Three On Zero]

I’d rather see secondary assists go away before ENG goals.

 

[JPeeper]

Sure, that makes a lot of sense analytically and there’s little doubt pulling the goalie earlier statistically improves a team’s chances of winning. But is it good for the integrity of the sport I wonder?

Teams doing whatever it takes to win is now not good for the integrity of the game? I don't see it that way. The only argument(s) that could be made for the integrity of the game going down is 3 on 3 OT and a shootout. As someone who isn't even against them in the first place I think they're objectively stupid ways to end a professional game, they're skill competitions.

The NBA and MLB (gross) are the only two leagues where I think have perfect OT rules, NBA just adds some time and you play, MLB is the same but with now a runner so an already boring AF game actually ends in a reasonable time. NFL OT rules are stupid.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Next player who completes a hat trick with an ENG should get a 5 game suspension

 

[Crosby2010]

Al Iafrate had an opinion of the types of people who get empty netters

 

[Jumptheshark]

You all should have seen empty net goals in the 80s

Next player who completes a hat trick with an ENG should get a 5 game suspension

Or banned for life

 

[PaulD]

Most teams are pulling goalies with around 2 minutes left nowadays because analytics told that's the way if you want to change something. Naturally, if you are going to play with an empty net twice as long, opponents will score into it many more times. Not to mention that last minutes used to be given to "shutdown lines" to handle on the defensive side of things who would just get the puck out of the zone and change, shooting at an empty net was almost taboo. While now we often see top guys on the ice whose primary focus is to get that empty netter which ends the game.

Yup. That's why EN goals are up. Hasn't been a mystery.

But yea players are padding their stats with them.
Add them to players over all stats.....as pp goals, short handed goals, game winning goals .

Al Iafrate had an opinion of the types of people who get empty netters

 

[MoneyManny]

I don't like this. They're real goals. When one team pulls the goalie, the odds of EITHER team scoring increases. If a 6 on 5 goal counts the same statistically, one way, then it should count the same the other way too.

Shootout goals are totally different.

I dunno, i feel like tossing the puck from the blue line nonchalantly in an empty net isn't really worthy of a +1 goal in the player's stat sheet.

It's also heavily influenced by the number of times the team is leading late in the 3rd.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Unpopular opinion: ENG shouldn't have any more value to a player's stat sheet than shootout goals.

Same